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White Lightning is my fav of them all. But I hate that the only dvd version there is of it is just in Full Screen. Oh well.
Id like to see Tarantino do a prison escape movie…not like shawshank or escape from alcatraz…more like wanted: dead or alive or the great escape
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Tony: No more homage movies? Every film hes done is a homage movie!
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yeah i know… but I meant in the Death Proof/Kill Bill way. IB is a guys on a mission film. QT is an expert on WWII movies but at the same time he is an expert on WWII, period. i think it was in an itw w/ Ain’t it cool where he said that he took History classes at the University and basically did researches on ww2 for a year. IMO films like dirty dozen brought him to write IB but what really fed the project are the whole researches he did. In the 1994 itw between him and Robert Zemeckis there is this great part about WWII movies and QT says “it is not possible to show war like the dirty dozen did anymore. but maybe there is a way to show war that is at the same time realistic, that brings a comment about war but at the same time, be as exciting as those films” (i am paraphrasing ;D)
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White Lightning is my fav of them all. But I hate that the only dvd version there is of it is just in Full Screen. Oh well.
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the R2 French dvd is widescreen…
Tony: I know what youre saying. QT has said Bastards is going to take place in his Realer than Real World Universe (True Romance, Dogs, Pulp, Death Proof). As opposed to the Movie Movie Universe (From Dusk Til Dawn, Kill Bill). So it will be realistic but heightened a bit like Pulp and DP were. But Im sure it will still have plenty of homages/references in it just like all his films have.
I never saw Death Proof as being in that column. I always saw it as being coupled with From Dusk Till Dawn and Kill Bill. Yes, it exists in a real world universe, but… you have Earl McGraw in it, which places it in the chronology of Kill Bill, From Dusk Till Dawn, and Planet Terror. Plus, the “damage” done to the print solidifies the idea that Death Proof is just a movie, it flat out refuses to let you forget that, so I see it as being a part of the movie movie universe.
Well I think that Kill Bill is more in real world universe than Death Proof. But that’s just my opinion.
Does that wiki mean I can’t stand by my statement?
How do you explain McGraw’s existence in the film if its true?
Mike: You can think whatever you like. If you think its a Movie Movie, thats cool.
QT has certain characters that can jump Universes. According to QT, The Wolf was the first one (although he doesnt show up in Kill Bill or FDTD). Earl McGraw and his son are the other two who can appear in both universes. Thats straight from QT. Im def not making this stuff up myself.
No, I know you’re right about that, but… ugh!! It just doesn’t seem right to me, they’re all exploitation films, so it fits.
I’d like to modify my previous statement, after close scrutiny and refreshing of my memory from here: Harry talks to Quentin Tarantino about KILL BILL, GLORIOUS BASTARDS and QTV!!!
Characters from Universe #2 cannot venture into Universe #1. So a fictional fictional character like McGraw cannot venture from the Universe #2 (Kill Bill/From Dusk Till Dawn) into Universe #1, if indeed Death Proof was indeed part of Universe #1, the realer than real universe. Now, short of The Purple Rose of Cairo, Earl cannot make that leap.
From Sebs interview with QT (this is a question I had Seb ask QT):
"Sebastian: Speaking of McGraw, how do you fit Grind House into your universes theory?
QT: Oh. Death Proof in particular, that takes place in the, not the movie-movie universe. To me that takes place in the Quentin universe, like Reservoir Dogs and Pulp Fiction takes place in. It’s the real world going on. Having said that, McGraw has actually now become the one character that actually has a passport to move back and forth between the universes. I always said that The Wolf was the only one who could probably really do that, but he hasn’t done it yet. But McGraw has that kind of capability, and also there is something kinda fun about Earl McGraw, the fact that me and Robert kinda just have both joint ownership over him. I loved it when he made McGraw such a big character in Planet Terror and then half way in the script you actually realize that Marley is his daughter, and ‘oh McGraw had a daughter. And a wife, who knew!’ And it actually was so exciting in Death Proof, now we got the McGraw clan, we gotta put them all together, at least in one shot."
I wouldnt say anything if I wasnt sure about it.
Death Proof seems realer than real, on the surface, that’s true. But then you have Earl McGraw in it, which puts it in the same universe as Kill Bill, From Dusk Till Dawn, and Planet Terror. But then you’d say, well, how is that possible, it looks like the real world. However, you have the print quality of the film, which reminds you that it’s only a movie. Thus, the movie movie universe. Universe #2.
Now, having read that part of the Seb interview, does it confuse you as much as it confuses me? Because I think he’s forgetting he’s a fictional character. I “think.” All that proves is that he said it in an interview. He IS human, after all.
This is starting to remind me of that Will Ferrell film Stranger Than Fiction, and that movie almost made my brain explode.
(Also, saying you wouldn’t post anything unless you were sure of it… I really don’t wanna get into another discussion of grindhouse vs. exploitation with you again, that discussion would take hours and we’d still agree to disagree.)
Not really. He has two characters that can jump universes. Theres a difference between a character like Pai Mei or The Bride who can punch through 5 inches of wood and spurting fountains of blood from peoples stumps.
And as far as Grindhouse Vs Exploitation: Im not covering any exploitation films past the mid 80s (no straight to video stuff). And Im not covering big budget studio films that played in the Grindhouses. Its as simple as that. Its based predominately on CLASSIC Grindhouse/Drive-In EXPLOITATION cinema, just like that site says.
I can determine what is right and whats wrong. I dont need anyone teaching me about movies. Ive been a film fanatic since I was around 10 years old.
Mike, I really dont appreciate this shitty know it all attitude you have. I mean it seems all you try to do is prove how smart you are in here. Even when I give you proof of stuff you refuse to believe it. You come off like an asshole dude.
Far as the Grindhouse discussion, ok: case closed. Understood. I was referring more to the “Oh, I don’t think (insert title) is Grindhouse/exploitation because (insert reason).”
I wasn’t referring to the Bride’s use of kung fu and how it should be able to work between the universes. I was talking about the idea that McGraw could jump out of a cinema screen in Universe #2 Purple Rose of Cairo style and live amongst the denizens of Universe #1. Because Earl was living in that same universe where the Bride was able to do that. I think my head’s about to explode.
And I’ve been a film fanatic since I was 3. I didn’t know that had a relevance. I love discussing film, and if I can learn something new from my discussion about film, and research what I’ve learned and incorporate it with what I know already, and alter what I know to fit what new thing I’ve learned, I love that. See, I’m humble like that. There’s always more to learn. That’s why I’m a voracious film book reader. I never like to tell anyone, “How dare you tell me any different than what I already know!” It can be a learning experience for both me and the one I’m discussing film with. And then I can pull out whatever book I learned something from or the film we’re discussing and it can become a learning experience for the other person too. You never know, I might be the one who learns something from the other person, it depends.
You, Putney, just aren’t humble like that. I guess you proved you’re the know-it-all, regardless of what you’ve called me in the past.
When people say GRINDHOUSE, I dont think of Jaws, I think of a Barracuda/Pirahna Double Feature. Thats my view on it. Whether or not its 100% politically correct, I dont care really. Im sure QT looks at it the same way. He wouldnt call his film GRINDHOUSE if it wasnt based mainly on the low budget Exploitation films he grew up on. Notice he doesnt thank Steven Spielberg and George Lucas in the credits, he thanks Roger Corman and Russ Meyer.
Mike: What the hell ever man. I really dont care what you think is right and wrong. Believe/Think whatever you want. Just dont push that shit on me.
I’ve never said JAWS was a grindhouse movie. It is a B movie, to be sure. It could have played in a grindhouse, I don’t know. When it comes to that, you’re right, you can cover what you feel is best without covering studio pictures that played in grindhouses, and frankly, whichever 42nd theater JAWS may or may not have played in is a moot point right now.
I like the Baracuda/Pirahna double feature comment. See, that’s cool.
Politically correct? Damn you for bringing politics into a film discussion.
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And I’ve been a film fanatic since I was 3. I didn’t know that had a relevance. I love discussing film, and if I can learn something new from my discussion about film, and research what I’ve learned and incorporate it with what I know already, and alter what I know to fit what new thing I’ve learned, I love that. See, I’m humble like that. There’s always more to learn. That’s why I’m a voracious film book reader. I never like to tell anyone, “How dare you tell me any different than what I already know!” It can be a learning experience for both me and the one I’m discussing film with. And then I can pull out whatever book I learned something from or the film we’re discussing and it can become a learning experience for the other person too. You never know, I might be the one who learns something from the other person, it depends.
You, Putney, just aren’t humble like that. I guess you proved you’re the know-it-all, regardless of what you’ve called me in the past.
See, exactly what am I pushing on you, Pete? I made a reply to something you said to me. No need to get retaliatory about it.
It’s always a learning experience when I talk to someone about film. Yes, even when I talk to a person the likes of you.
Im usually humble until I feel like someones purposely trying to start an argument with me. I gave you proof of my original Universes statement (from QTs own mouth!) and you STILL disagreed and forced your own ideas on me. Then you brought up the whole Grindhouse Vs. Exploitation thing again, when I already told you that I knew what it all means. I know that Grindhouses played more than just low budget Exploitation. But the majority of known Grindhouses were playing low budget exploitation and porno. I know that all horror is considered Exploitation too. Gimme a break dude. I didnt just fall off the turnip truck.