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#1

Would You Like To See The Return Of The Western?

  • No, not really. The western went out with a worthy bang. It’s time to move on…
  • Does the Pope shit in the woods?
  • Yeah whatever, now where’s the money you promised me?
  • No, definitely not!! The Western is dead as fucking…dead, accept it!!
  • Who the fuck is a Western?

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You should all know by now just how much I love the western. I love any and all westerns. The Western is my favourite genre.



With upcoming films such as The Assassination Of Jesse James by the Coward Robert Ford (starring Brad Pitt), The Proposition (starring Guy Pearce) and Seraphim Falls (starring Pierce Brosnan) it got me thinking that maybe the Western is getting a revival.



Films like Ron Howard’s The Missing, Kevin Costner’s Open Range, American Outlaws and Shanghai Noon have tried to pave the way for a (much needed and welcome) revival of the truly original genre. One of the greatest things to come from America.



Of course one may argue that the Western has been alive and kicking the whole time with Deadwood, but I’m not talking about TV programmes, I’m talking about on the big screen.



So what are your thoughts?


#2

it might be my favorite genre too but a revival? i don’t know, i’m happy a new Jesse James film is coming out, i never get tired of that story



the last GREAT western i saw was Jarmusch’s Dead Man, 11 years ago, Open Range was good but doesn’t come near Dead Man for me



some genre’s are just period related, some genre’s just die out, the american western died out, sorry to say, we’ll never see another High Noon, The Searchers or Rio Bravo, the reason being that these days you can do and say anything, the big reason westerns were popular when they were was beause they were shocking and anarchistic for those days: violence, kinky romance, outlaws … doesn’t interest people anymore, it was a challenge, not anymore, i don’t beleive in a western revival because i know it will be a let down, it’s a beautifull genre but can turn out so horrible so fast



i hated The Quick and the Dead because to me it looked like a bunch of actors in cowboy suits, it didnt breath the way westerns breath, no balls what so ever, i’m not a big John Wayne fan, and definitly not a big “A man’s gotta do what a man’s gotta do” fan but a western should have some fuckin balls, there should be surprises, it should be dangerous, directors these days pay too much attention to realism, “its impossible to shoot 20 guys in 5 seconds”, fuck you, to me the western world is a fantasy world, based on 1800’s America, with heroes, treasures, adventure, the worst villains you can imagine, yet all done with simplicity… that attitude is gone in movies



people wanna see a 100 million dollar CGI fantasy rather than an outlaw tale, i don’t beleive in the western revival yet it would be great to have one! if we do have one it would have to be an amazing one, i’d pay alotta money to see a great western on the big screen, but i think the closest we’ll come to that is Brokeback fuckin’ Mountain



realisticly: No, not really. The western went out with a worthy bang. It’s time to move on…


#3

I thought Unforgiven was a masterpiece. Open Range was also fucking brilliant. It borrowed heaps and heaps from Unforgiven, but it was fucking brilliant.



The thing is, we are getting all these bad directors nowadays with pussy actors to star in their shit westerns. Imagine a western by Quentin Tarantino or Martin Scorses. That shit would guarantee to show you how big a guys balls can be, how surprising a scene can get and how fucking dangerous a guy can be.



Yes, the Western wouldn’t have the same impact now that they did all those years ago. A Western works best when it’s about troubled times. We also don’t have the dirty, mean bastard yet somehow charming actors that can fill a cowboys boots. I’m struggling to find someone who could play a lead in a western.



There are more than enough directors out there who can conjure up a truly great western… Eastwood, Costner, Tarantino, Scorsese, Ritchie to name but a few.



Believe it or not, but there are plenty of people out there who hate all this CGI bullshit and yearn for more original stuff, or at least ‘purer’ films without the cartoonish qualities they tend to have.



The film industry is struggling to come up with something exciting. The past few years have been really bad, with some of the worst films ever hitting the big screen. Filled with disappointments and shitty remakes, I think bringing back an old great would be a wonderful move.


#4

[quote=“Johny_Exhale”]
the last GREAT western i saw was Jarmusch’s Dead Man, 11 years ago,
[/quote]

Wait… you watched all of Leone’s westerns before you were 8 years old?


#5

[quote=“The Pink Floyd”]


The thing is, we are getting all these bad directors nowadays with pussy actors to star in their shit westerns.
[/quote]

Yeah, Wild Wild West is a good example. Did I enjoy watching Salma Hayek’s butt? Yeah bet.


#6

Hm difficult question. A fact is that I am a big Spag Western Fan and I think the time of Spags is over. So don’t make one again. Another thing is that I’m looking forward seeing Salma Hayek and Penelope Cruz in Bandidas and the other new project starring Franco Nero. Maybe Western should come back, but when they’re italian they shouldn’t call themselves spaghetti western, cause it is another time now.


#7

I think the Chinese Wuxia is facing the same problem. It used to be popular in the 70’s to early 90’s but then it died out. Once in a while there are some good ones coming out but still there are very few wuxia films.


#8

I mean, when you watch Django 2. Shouldn’t this be a western again? But it was 1987 and it was influenced by Rambo. Would it be the same problem now, that some western would be influenced by…?


#9

I love spaghetti westerns…so i wouldnt mind seeing the western genre making a comeback…i dont expect to see anymore spag westerns and thats fine…the last great western i saw was Unforgiven…Open Range was decent…need to get Eastwood behind the camera again for another western


#10

i recently realised that technicly Open Range might have thé best shootout ever in a western, technicly, and that’s a huge advantage of the modern western, shootouts in the 50’s were just exhangind shoulder shots, Open Range took this to a waay other level, it’s action, it’s exciting, almost John Woo-like, almost, as soon as Duval fires up his cigar i’m ready to roll, beautiful ending

westerns are my fairytales, i said that before, they are my fantasy flicks, for me anything is possible in ye old west, and that’s why i’m rather afraid if Eastwood makes another western, it will probably be another Pale Rider, which is hate with a passion, Unforgiven was amazing … for once, ok, i doubt he’ll ever come to that level again

the only person that could still make another great ‘spaghetti’ western is Sergio Sollima, the only person that breaths the spaghetti way, but i’m pretty sure he left the sadle for good, too bad


#11

btw, here’s our new list of top 20 spaghetti westerns



<LINK_TEXT text=“http://www.spaghetti-western.net/index. … p_20_Films”>http://www.spaghetti-western.net/index.php/Essential_Top_20_Films</LINK_TEXT>


#12

I recently acquired The Propostion, looking forward to watching that, hope it’s good.



Also, I bought Red Dead Revolver (the game) for my X-Box yesterday for some Western action. I had rented it when it first came out a few years ago, and I loved it. So I decided to buy it. Plays better than I remember.


#13

i’ve been looking forward to The Proposition for quite some time too, awesome cast and music (Nick Cave) read nothing but good reviews about it here



nice top 20 Seb, the top 10 is very similar to mine, even though I had Django Kill and Sabata higher, very nice!


#14

I watched Open Range last night. I enjoyed it. It reminded me a bit of Unforgiven. We dont get many Westerns anymore so its nice to see a good one when they do put em out.


#15

[quote=“Johny|Exhale”]
nice top 20 Seb, the top 10 is very similar to mine, even though I had Django Kill and Sabata higher, very nice!
[/quote]

the list is compiled from top-20 lists in the spaghetti forum, if you post yours there it will be processed into the list, so there’s a chance of influencing on who’s on top


#16

[quote=“Johny|Exhale”]
i recently realised that technicly Open Range might have thé best shootout ever in a western, technicly, and that’s a huge advantage of the modern western, shootouts in the 50’s were just exhangind shoulder shots, Open Range took this to a waay other level, it’s action, it’s exciting, almost John Woo-like, almost, as soon as Duval fires up his cigar i’m ready to roll, beautiful ending
[/quote]

Yeah Costner did a really great job on Open range, the action and especially shooting scene are great ! He made something different for the classic western and used perfectly the new technical effect to make a modern flick. I love SAm Raimi The Quick and the Dead, excellent western ! In a way I love Eastwood too, but he seems more classical, great but not as much modern as Raimi for example …


#17

yeah I did submit my top 20, long time ago though, cool to see alot of the guys agreed with me, I havent posted there in ages, though, mainly cause I haven’t concentrated on spaghetti’s lately, I should get into em again, soon, i promise


#18

[quote=“WinslowLeach”]
I watched Open Range last night. I enjoyed it. It reminded me a bit of Unforgiven. We dont get many Westerns anymore so its nice to see a good one when they do put em out.
[/quote]

A bit? Haha, that’s an understatement, the majority of the Open Range wreaked Unforgiven, but in a good way. I liked Open Range very much.

[quote=“cyber-lili”]
Yeah Costner did a really great job on Open range, the action and especially shooting scene are great ! He made something different for the classic western and used perfectly the new technical effect to make a modern flick. I love SAm Raimi The Quick and the Dead, excellent western ! In a way I love Eastwood too, but he seems more classical, great but not as much modern as Raimi for example …
[/quote]

Eastwood seems “more classical” because that’s the era he was making films for and about. His westerns were about the Old West, going on traditional aspects of the Western. They weren’t supposed to be modern. In fact, Eastwood’s Unforgiven was about ending the Western. It was a farewell to the genre.


#19

[quote=“The Pink Floyd”]
Eastwood seems “more classical” because that’s the era he was making films for and about. His westerns were about the Old West, going on traditional aspects of the Western. They weren’t supposed to be modern. In fact, Eastwood’s Unforgiven was about ending the Western. It was a farewell to the genre.
[/quote]

Yeah that’s true. But Open Range is also about traditional aspects of the western. There aren’t modern point of view on the western itself, just a modern directing for the genre of the western. Do you know what I mean ?


#20

I don’t think, Western will get a revival. These 3 new movies sound like flop just from the start and they will be.

Its not the right time for them; its simply over. The setting doesn’t feel true and interesting, but as masquerade. They just play cowboys and indians. Who wants to see that ?



I mean, there were Unforgiven in 1992. But then ? [ haven’t seen Open Range ]



And i surely don’t wanna see a Western by QT !! Forgodssake…