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you are a pigment on a pig’s ass.
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And so are you.
Tarantino is a very good film maker but Martin Scorsese is a legend. Tarantino needs to make more films to see more of what he’s capable of in order to be compared with Scorsese.
they are so different… Scorsese almost never took a writing credits in his life. and he likes shorts, fast-paced scenes… qt is a writer and a director and most of his films are built around set pieces. basically, qt has been compared to scorsese mainly because qt started his career with a gangster film starring harvey keitel.
I think theres much more to it than that. QTs own personal film aesthetic is heavily influenced by Scorsese. Hes said it many times in interviews the directors that influenced his personal style most were: Leone, Hawks, DePalma and Scorsese.
One example: Where do you think QT got the famous Mr Blonde ear camera shot from? Its from Taxi Driver, when the camera pans off of Travis Bickle and moves to a shot of the empty hallway.
Theres alot of things QT has learned from Scorsese in terms of editing and how to use pop music within a film.
Just because Scorsese isnt a writer/director doesnt mean QTs visual ideas arent influenced alot by his mastery of cinematic storytelling.
I agree. Although they each have their own cinematic styles, there are similarities which are quite evident. For example, I watched the opening of Gangs of New York the other day, and the way the camera zooms into Bill the Butcher’s eye (in long steps) equalled with the sound effect that plays, it’s very similar to the way the camera zooms in on Sophie Fatale whilst she’s on the phone in her car waiting at the red light. It’s funny because that whole opening to GoNY takes a lot from Leone (the duster-type clothing they wear, the eventual presentation of Bill’s gang members (from being largerly hidden), the wide angle shot, etc.). I love their styles a lot, and that’s why those three filmmakers are my favourites.
It’s interesting how QT doesn’t praise Scorsese as much as he does other filmmakers. Sometimes it almost seems like he doesn’t like Scorsese that much. It’s also funny how as Pete mentioned about the pop music, that Scorsese used the track “Nobody But Me” in the scene where Leo Dicaprio beats on those two dudes in the shop in The Departed, which of course was also used in another violent scene in Tarantino’s Kill Bill. Whilst QT has been influenced by Scorsese, it’s also the case - and especially with The Departed - that Scorsese is influenced by Tarantino.
- I thought that scene with DiCaprio beating up the two mafia guys while Nobody But Me was playing was like Scorsese saying to QT “You did your thing, well watch this”. Definitely a big difference between QTs epic bloody battle and that little but brutal beatdown, but it was cool if it was in fact a little nod.
- That 1 2 3 cut in (with Bill the Butcher) goes back to Hitchcock. He used it in The Birds. Watch the scene where Jessica Tandy discovers the guy with his eyes pecked out.
- Another little thing I thought QT got from Scorsese was his use of red lighting in his bar scenes (Dogs, Pulp, Kill Bill). One of Scorsese’s big trademarks is his use of the color red in his films (the bars in Mean Streets, Taxi Driver, GoodFellas).
- The tracking shot in Kill Bill in the House of Blue Leaves def was QTs answer to Scorsese’s tracking shot with Henry Hill and Karen descending into the Copacabana in GoodFellas.
- The shot of Dov and Omar slowly backing up in the bar in Death Proof really reminded me of the scene of Harvey Keitel walking into the bar in Mean Streets.
Ok here is the thing, I’ve only seen Casino and GoodFellas from Scorsese, what films do I need to watch from him now ?
I’ve already settled for Taxi Driver, Raging Bull, Mean Streets and After Hours. Which films would you add to this list ?
Everything! From Whos That Knocking At My Door, Mean Streets to The Departed. Watch em all. The only Scorsese flicks I never warmed up to myself are Kundun and Bringing Out The Dead.
Music/film docs too: Italian/American, American Boy, The Last Waltz, My Voyage to Italy, No Direction Home, Shine A Light
American Boy is a must see. Ive only seen it online. Heres the link:
- YouTube
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Tarantino is a very good film maker but Martin Scorsese is a legend. Tarantino needs to make more films to see more of what he’s capable of in order to be compared with Scorsese.
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Tim burton is a very good film maker. Tarantino is a future legend.
[quote=“PutneySwope”]American Boy is a must see. Ive only seen it online. Heres the link:
- YouTube[/quote]
Thanks Putney I’ve only watch 3 parts of it cause I didn’t have time to see more but that awesome stuff, Steve Prince sure knows the art of storytelling. And the beginning where they fight for 10 minutes and they one of them asks “Who’s that guy ?” that cracked me up haha
It seems that I can’t edit my posts, but I don’t know why (tried to log out, it didn’t do it).
I just wanted to say I watched American Boy and there are some awesome stuff. The story about the adrenaline shot in the heart of an OD’d girl sounded really familiar 
That’s great stuff, thanks for sharing.
Yeah I wish the modify function was always accesible. For some reason its on a timer. After a few hours you cant reedit your posts anymore.
I remember one of the thing Scorsese has said about movies is that if someone on the screen is entertaining enough you dont need to do anything else but keep the camera on them. That Steven Prince interview is a perfect example of that. Just him sitting on the couch telling his stories is so captivating and fun to listen to.
[quote=“al bundy”]same with raging bull:both marti and de niro were struggling with the movie until they got a really good screenwriter to help them out.[/quote]
This is really funny because De Niro and Scorsese actually rewrote Schrader’s draft of the script. (uncredited)
they didn’t really rewrote Schrader’s draft. Schrader worked on the structure of the film more than anything else. De Niro and Scorsese edited all the material from the numerous draft they had, using Schrader’s ideas for the structure…
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they didn’t really rewrote Schrader’s draft. Schrader worked on the structure of the film more than anything else. De Niro and Scorsese edited all the material from the numerous draft they had, using Schrader’s ideas for the structure…
[/quote]Yeah, but they certainly helped.
[quote]According to Scorsese, the script was left in the hands of him and De Niro where they spent two and a half weeks extensively re-building the content of the film which was done on the island of Saint Martin.[/quote]
rebuilding is not exactly rewriting… scorsese is not a writer, but he’s a great editor. i really think that’s what they did with the script. it’s a great job, don’t get me wrong, i think the storytelling in this film is marvelous (even though currently my favorite Scorsese film is… King of comedy. go, rupert! 8))
“Hey Jerry…would you like a picture of my Pride and Joy?”
“that’s good”
“hey jerry, take it. consider it a gift, it’ll work for you”
[quote]The most significant change would be the entire scene when Jake fixes his television and then accuses his wife of having an affair. Other changes included the removal of Jake and Joey’s father; the reduction of the organized mob and a major re-write of Jake’s fight with Tony Janiro. They were even responsible for the end sequence where Jake is all alone in his dressing room quoting the I shouda been a contender scene from On the Waterfront to blame his brother and also himself. An extract of Richard III had been pondered but Michael Powell thought it would be a bad decision within the context of a film that was American. According to Steven Bach, only the first two screenwriters (Mardick Martin and Paul Schrader) would receive credit but since there was no payment to the writer’s guild on the script, De Niro and Scorsese’s work would remain uncredited.[/quote]