I wouldn’t say the Academy is lame or anything like that. Its a group. Each person votes the way they want.
For example, Quentin is a member of the Academy. I wouldn’t consider him a douce-bag. So is Roger Avary, Roger Avary is a member of the Academy. So is Uma Thurman.
I think people think of the Academy and assume its this one old guy sitting in his office that picks bad movies.
[quote]I wouldn’t say the Academy is lame or anything like that.  Its a group.  Each person votes the way they want.
For example, Quentin is a member of the Academy.  I wouldn’t consider him a douce-bag.  So is Roger Avary, Roger Avary is a member of the Academy.  So is Uma Thurman.
I think people think of the Academy and assume its this one old guy sitting in his office that picks bad movies.
[/quote]So, they could pat themselves on the back if they wanted to or what?
Fuck an Oscar, seriously man. Fans like us don’t care about an Oscar for our favorite flicks, cause we don’t watch too many family oriented happy-happy feel good movies, Kill Bill is so much the opposite of all that stuff.
I think a real life Cecil B. Demented Oscar terrorist scene needs to happen at the Oscars/Academy Awards. The youth of America needs to represent!
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So, they could pat themselves on the back if they wanted to or what?
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exactly, the Academy Awards started as a private dinner party where they awarded themselves for merit, they still do that but now they have an audience of over a billion people who have nothing to do with show business
[quote]Fuck an Oscar, seriously man. Fans like us don’t care about an Oscar for our favorite flicks, cause we don’t watch too many family oriented happy-happy feel good movies
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maybe, but I was very Happy when Quentin and Roger won their screenplay Oscar
oscar=great acting,great story,great director
all the other oscars for lighting,special effects,etc.       dont mean crap except to the guys in those fields
the ordinary moviegoer could care less about technical editing
i enjoy Tarantino’s flicks
that doesnt mean i think he’s Sam Peckinpah or Walter Hill
M. Night does movies in his own way, M.Bay, O. Stone, you name it
an oscar winning movie has to deserve it
a lot of great flicks didnt make it but were in the running
and theres a lot of competetition out there
i was suprised when they gave a shot out to Jet Li for Hero on Golden Globes.
he might not make it in the US but he gets credit anyway
oscar demands respect, it is respect
if you shoot for oscar you better be damn sure you got more than what it takes cause comin close aint gonna get it
[quote]oscar=great acting,great story,great director
all the other oscars for lighting,special effects,etc.dont mean crap except to the guys in those fields
the ordinary moviegoer could care less about technical editing
i enjoy Tarantino’s flicks
that doesnt mean i think he’s Sam Peckinpah or Walter Hill
M. Night does movies in his own way, M.Bay, O. Stone, you name it
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Hold up! Wait a minute!
QT isnt Sam or Walter, but hes probably every bit as good in his own way. The guys made 3 films so far and they ALL stand up to anything Sam P or Walter H ever did IMO.
Note: Walter NOR Sam ever won an Oscar for their films either. Sam was nominated for Best Writing on one of his films: The Wild Bunch
BTW, Walter Hill started off great, now he makes straight to video junk basically. I know QT wont ever go that route.
Pulp Fiction couldve won Best Picture if the Oscars were determined on artist integrity rather than on CGI effects and “Stupid is as Stupid Does”. I think EVERYONE knows that. Pulp won the Golden Palm at Cannes, thats much more important than the Oscar, its also enough if your talkin movie awards anyway. He won Best Screenplay, thats damn good too. ÃÅ
How can you put Michael Bay in a list with great directors like: M Night, and Oliver Stone? Bay is a big budget hack. He’ll never win SHIT at the Oscars or at Cannes. lol. Fuckin Michael Bay. hahahahahaha.
Excuse me, Vic ? M. Night Shyamalan a great director ? If ever there was a Hack, it would be him. His three movies are all weakly scripted, overestimated pieces of gobshit to me. As far as I’m concerned he’s in the same league as Bay and all the other Bruckheimer boys.
[quote]Excuse me, Vic ? M. Night Shyamalan a great director ? If ever there was a Hack, it would be him. His three movies are all weakly scripted, overestimated pieces of gobshit to me. As far as I’m concerned he’s in the same league as Bay and all the other Bruckheimer boys.[/quote]
You got me. I made a mistake, M Night isnt a great director, but I do think hes better than Bay. At least M Nights films are more personal and different. Not just Bruckheimer whore-no brainer-big budget-explosion heavy-bullshit fests.
did some extra work in Vegas in 2002
had a chance to work on Undisputed with Walter Hill and about a hundred other guys
he was interested inthe girls-a redhead in particular, but I like the way he works
Rush Hour 2-Brett Ratner was taking home 2 to 3 girls a night with his wife in a trailer not 100 feet away
director’s power-actually they were promised screen time and the shots were edited out later
Ratners philosophy was shoot a scene over and over and over-we did about 35 takes-im not kidding of one scene in the Desert Inn Casino, even Jacky was pissed
Ratner later explained-the more money I spend, the more film I use, the bigger budget I get next time and the more money I make!
take a look at Red Dragon and the scenes are almost identical to Manhunter-is that creativity?
i have a lot of respect for Steven Soderberg, ALL business on Oceans-he flew out and got his oscar for Traffic, and was back the next day directing-maybe he is gay but he was a good director
what makes an oscar winning movie in my opinion-
besides the writing and the acting, is a director that gives a shit about what he’s doing-someone thats not over the hill or just raking in the money or blowing the budget
when M.Night came out, no one was doing movies the way he was-same with Q.T. and the first M Bay flick i saw caught me by surprise-the sheer pace of the movie made it stand out
there are so many freakin things that can go wrong from the get go in a movie everyone thought would be an oscar winner-the stars screw up,props does,the director fights with the actors physically-look at what happened with Sean Connery in League, then you got extras trying to be camera hogs(guilty!)
you name it-it happens on the set.
take all that and add the egos of editors, producers, the production company, and what kind of finished product are you gonna get?
an oscar?
nope
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what makes an oscar winning movie in my opinion-
besides the writing and the acting, is a director that gives a shit about what he’s doing-someone thats not over the hill or just raking in the money or blowing the budget
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Thats Quentin Tarantino in a nutshell. All you have to do is watch one of the production featurettes on QTs dvds, you can see he loves what hes doing and everyone that works for him cares about him.
To win an Oscar: a) you have to make a film that ALOT of people love b) you have to make a film that has a major directorial vision (says something about our society, peoples lives etc) c) You have to make a film that revitalizes the world of film in some way.
That other shit you mentioned doesnt mean anything in the Oscar race. You work on movies and thats all you can get from it? Wow.
“A Beautiful Mind” won an Oscar last year. And it was none of those things.
[quote]“A Beautiful Mind” won an Oscar last year. And it was none of those things.[/quote]
Well thats YOUR personal opinion Tony. I’m talking in general terms here.
You dont get an Oscar for how things go on the set of the movie or how well you did with the budget or even if the Director loves what hes doing.
What it comes down to is you get Oscars for mass appeal and/or excellence. Of course which films/actors etc are more appealing on a huge level and excellent is determined by the goons in the Academy.
Well, I think I’ll chime in on this subject.
Tarantino is a good director. Notice I didn’t say great. He isn’t. He’s just good. Resivoir Dogs was a great film. Pulp Fiction was a great flim, but slightly less so than RD. Jackie Brown was horrible. It was just too boring and Rum Punch (the book) was immensely better.
Do I think Pulp Fiction should have won an oscar? Maybe. Do I think Kill Bill will win oscars? No. I doubt it’ll even get nominated. I didn’t really think the script was all that great once I got through it. It was one fight scene after another, and that’s all well and good, but it doesn’t make a movie. I was intrigued at first when I heard that Tarantino was going to do a samurai movie (and that he was even still working) but honestly, I don’t see this film holding a candle to any of the old samurai movies of the 60s and 70s. (Note: If you want to see a great samurai series, watch the Lone Wolf & Cub movies.) I just don’t see good things for this film. Oh well.
[quote]Well, I think I’ll chime in on this subject.
Tarantino is a good director. Notice I didn’t say great. He isn’t. He’s just good. Resivoir Dogs was a great film. Pulp Fiction was a great flim, but slightly less so than RD. Jackie Brown was horrible. It was just too boring and Rum Punch (the book) was immensely better.
Do I think Pulp Fiction should have won an oscar? Maybe. Do I think Kill Bill will win oscars? No. I doubt it’ll even get nominated. I didn’t really think the script was all that great once I got through it. It was one fight scene after another, and that’s all well and good, but it doesn’t make a movie. I was intrigued at first when I heard that Tarantino was going to do a samurai movie (and that he was even still working) but honestly, I don’t see this film holding a candle to any of the old samurai movies of the 60s and 70s. (Note: If you want to see a great samurai series, watch the Lone Wolf & Cub movies.) I just don’t see good things for this film. Oh well.[/quote]
MY opinion:
QT is a brilliant director, not great.
Reservoir Dogs was one of the best debut films for a new director in the history of cinema. Also one of the best heist films ever made.
Pulp Fiction was a brilliant crime film. It won the Palme D’Or. QT was nominated for Best Director, Best Picture he won Best Screenplay. Nuff said.
Jackie Brown was the best Elmore Leonard book to movie adaptations I’ve ever seen. I’ve seen several of them too. I dont know what movie your watching, but you obviously not watching the one QT directed. From beginning to end, QT knocked that film out of the park. The direction, music, cinematography, acting is all top notch. You just didnt understand it thats all.
Kill Bill will be an incredible film, I read the FIRST draft of the script and it was brilliant too. Its a revenge film, so theres obviously gonna be some fighting in it, but theres much more to it as well. Your comparing it to other films and its not even out yet, very intelligent.
Lone Wolf and Cub is all well and fine, but Quentin Tarantino isnt making a Lone Wolf n Cub film. This is something completely different.
I disagree with your entire post Monster Joe. I think your completely wrong.
Anyone else here feel Monster Joe is totally wrong?
[quote]Excuse me, Vic ? M. Night Shyamalan a great director ? If ever there was a Hack, it would be him. His three movies are all weakly scripted, overestimated pieces of gobshit to me. As far as I’m concerned he’s in the same league as Bay and all the other Bruckheimer boys.[/quote]
M. Night is brilliant and his screenplays are excellent. I haven't seen a movie of his that was anything less then outstanding. There are more talented writers/directors like Quentin. Just because his movies are widely appreciated don't mean they lack quality as Bruckheimers.
His scripts are exceptionally well crafted and include scenes that are stronger than almost anything I've ever seen.
He has clever stories and tells them in a very subtle, and calm way. He is second to none.
Dude, Shyamalan’s movies and especially “The Sixth Sense” are second to none only in terms of plotholes. I mean, seriously, such a blatant disregard for any form of basic logic is offensive to any intelligent moviegoer.
You sound like the bashers at aintitcool.com…
I would be very surprised if this movie is a success (domestically).
I would be very surprised if this movie is liked by critics.
I would be very surprised if this movie is blessed (hehe) with any Oscar nominations… If Jackie Brown suffered from PF comparisons and got one… how will a less serious, kung fu film fare???
–Something about the nature of the project, and timing… but we will see…
[quote]I would be very surprised if this movie is a success (domestically).
I would be very surprised if this movie is liked by critics.
I would be very surprised if this movie is blessed (hehe) with any Oscar nominations… If Jackie Brown suffered from PF comparisons and got one… how will a less serious, kung fu film fare???
–Something about the nature of the project, and timing… but we will see…[/quote]
Its not gonna be a success? Thats a bold statement.
The more Ive thought about it, the more I realize this whole topic is really a stupid one. Its totally jumping the gun and being way too presumptuous.
Will any of us really care if this film wins an Oscar or not? I dont at all. Its not about winning an award, its about making a great film for the QT fans and fans of Exploitation films.
Screw this Oscar shit.