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KILL BILL Oscar topic!


#1

this is Mr. Black, a rabid QT fan, i think Kill Bill will be Oscar worthy… the snobs at the academy snubbed QT with Pulp Fiction… its time they recognize QT and his brillance!!! Keep the faith alive… KILL BILL BEST PICTURE… TARANTINO BEST DIRECTOR…



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#2

Wouldn’t be a kicker if David Carradine was also nominated for an Oscar for his part as Bill? It’s about time that he also be recognized for his work in films. 8)



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#3

QT surely deserves that. oscars for best actors, best actress, best fight choregraphy, best cinematography, best editing etc… that would be good.

but not best picture, you know, i think it just doesn’t fit into that entire exploitation/grindhouse thing. how many grindhouse movies got an oscar? none.



we don’t wan’t your beloved movie end up in the same hall of fame as “a beautiful mind”, don’t we?



personally i want to have that “best picture” award rest in its paper-wrap until Glorious Bastards.


#4

Well I guess all we can do is wait and see. I have heard that films that do well at Cannes often do well at the Oscars. You never know though. Hollywood is one fickle lady. ::slight_smile:



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#5

I really could care less if QT wins more Oscars. He doesnt make films to win awards anyway. He makes them for his fans and for himself. BUT, if the Academy finally wakes the hell up and notices how great his films are someday, that would be cool too. :slight_smile:


#6

Let’s face it guys, QT may win some more Oscars in his career but it’s not gonna be with Kill Bill. No matter how kick-ass it’s going to turn out, it’s never going to be Academy Award fodder. It’s gory, it doesn’t have corny tearjerker scenes and it doesn’t have a disabled person in the lead. Those are all severe Oscar handiscaps :wink: Now not all films that win a lot of Oscars suck (I think American Beauty is a true masterpiece, for instance), but it’s plain to see that Kill Bill will never make the list. It’s a samurai/martial arts/spaghetti western B-movie homage, for John Williams’ sake ! Oscar films are by definition a LOT more mainstream than that.


#7

[quote]Let’s face it guys, QT may win some more Oscars in his career but it’s not gonna be with Kill Bill. No matter how kick-ass it’s going to turn out, it’s never going to be Academy Award fodder. It’s gory, it doesn’t have corny tearjerker scenes and it doesn’t have a disabled person in the lead. Those are all severe Oscar handiscaps :wink: Now not all films that win a lot of Oscars suck (I think American Beauty is a true masterpiece, for instance), but it’s plain to see that Kill Bill will never make the list. It’s a samurai/martial arts/spaghetti western B-movie homage, for John Williams’ sake ! Oscar films are by definition a LOT more mainstream than that.[/quote]

I have this feeling QT will win every other Oscar for his movies EXCEPT Best Picture/Best Director. His movies are offensive to most people so his actors and actresses, his screenplays, editing, etc will get Oscars, but his films and him wont get Best Picture/Director. At least not for awhile.


#8

A gory movie can win an Oscar. Brave Heart won Gladiator had some pretty neasty stuff as well. I don’t think those will be able to compare to Kill Bill.



It’s not like the best picture Oscar means anything any more.


#9

[quote]A gory movie can win an Oscar. Brave Heart won Gladiator had some pretty neasty stuff as well. I don’t think those will be able to compare to Kill Bill.

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Exploitation films arent the same as mainstream historical dramas. Thats the difference.


#10

Yeah, and uhm, I don’t think Braveheart and especially Gladiator are particularly gory movies. If you read any of the coverage on Kill Bill, you’ll notice that this movie will be quite a different deal as far as violence and gore is concerned.


#11

Before I read the script I heard all the crazy stuff about the violence. But after reading it, not much in there seemed too gross. The part where the bride jammed the table leg into the girl then ripped it down her leg was pretty bad, but besides that it didn’t seem to bad.



Hopefully QT will add alot more dismembering than there was in the script we all read. It sure seems like he is.


#12

Looks can be deceiving. I bet Pulp Fiction had more gore in its original script than what turned out to be in the final film. Same with Braveheart or Gladiator. Remember, QT must get passed the censors. Too much gore and the film won’t make the mainstream theaters, and I want to see this movie up on the BIG SCREEN!



Winning an Oscar for BEST Cinematography is just as importaint as winning for Best Picture. It’s still an Oscar just the same. Besides I don’t go to the movies just for the Oscar winners. I go because the film looks interesting to me.



Again we shall see what happens. That is all we can do. I’m just glad that David Carradine is finally getting to do something that may very well get into the mainstream. Years ago he had been nominated for his part as Woody Guthrie in Bound for Glory (I believe), but the studios chose to back Silvester Stallone as Rocky. Both moves were not mainstream films, and both movies were excellent, not only in their cinematography, but in their acting. It’s about time a few movies that are not considered mainstream be scrutinized once again. There is more there than just the action and the gore to consider. What about the acting? Only time will tell.



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#13

[quote]Looks can be deceiving.  I bet Pulp Fiction had more gore in its original script than what turned out to be in the final film.  Same with Braveheart or Gladiator.  Remember, QT must get passed the censors.  Too much gore and the film won’t make the mainstream theaters, and I want to see this movie up on the BIG SCREEN!



Winning an Oscar for BEST Cinematography is just as importaint as winning for Best Picture.  It’s still an Oscar just the same.  Besides I don’t go to the movies just for the Oscar winners.  I go because the film looks interesting to me.



Again we shall see what happens.  That is all we can do.  I’m just glad that David Carradine is finally getting to do something that may very well get into the mainstream.  Years ago he had been nominated for his part as Woody Guthrie in Bound for Glory (I believe), but the studios chose to back Silvester Stallone as Rocky.  Both moves were not mainstream films, and both movies were excellent, not only in their cinematography, but in their acting.  It’s about time a few movies that are not considered mainstream be scrutinized once again.  There is more there than just the action and the gore to consider.  What about the acting?  Only time will tell.



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Alisa[/quote]

One thing that is great about Quentins films is a certain kind of violence most films dont have. “Black Comedy violence” maybe? I still dont know how to categorize what he does. I never see movies that make me kind of squirm or jump in my seat like QTs films do. Most of todays movies just puss out in the violence/shock area. I like to be thrilled when I see a thriller. Movies are so dull these days, thats why I dont goto movies much anymore. (I will definitely go see Gangs of NY and Femme Fatale this Fall) But usually, it just seems to be the same old thing going on. I hope with Kill Bill, QT brings back some real excitement to movies like there should be. Pulp Fiction is the last movie that really shook things up in Hollywood. I hope Kill Bill does the same thing but with even more craziness.



Pulp Fiction didnt win an Oscar for Best Picture in 1994, but I consider it the Best film of the 90s. It did get a place on AFIs Top 100 Films of all Time and its QTs SECOND FILM!! That says ALOT. Kill Bill doesnt have to win any awards, it might be the best film we’ve seen since Pulp for some of us. The whole Oscar thing, as you guys know, is just like a big popularity contest. Most of the films I hold in high esteem are films that wouldnt even be nominated at the Oscars. So screw that stuff.



QT has a great way of making movies that are neither mainstream or independent. They seem to fall somewhere in the middle of both worlds. To me, his films look like the mainstream Hollywood cinema, but they have a dirtiness to them right under the bright exterior. Its like some Bizarro Hollywood World he creates thats just cooler than any other director working today.



Id like to see QT go on to make movies for himself and his fans. If he gets some recognition for it along the way, thats even better.


#14

Vic, I’ve already seen Femme Fatale (it’s been released in some European countries) and I think you’ll like it. To me it’s like De Palma’s return to form - waaaay better than Snake Eyes or Mission to Mars or whatever shit he put out these last few years. Also, it has that really Hitchcock-like feel, especially in the music (it’s like Bernard Hermann coming back from the dead). Rebecca Romijn-Stamos or Antonio Banderas aren’t particularly great actors, but all in all it’s a good old vintage De Palma-movie.



Ehm, do excuse me for rambling off-topic :wink:


#15

[quote]Vic, I’ve already seen Femme Fatale (it’s been released in some European countries) and I think you’ll like it. To me it’s like De Palma’s return to form - waaaay better than Snake Eyes or Mission to Mars or whatever shit he put out these last few years. Also, it has that really Hitchcock-like feel, especially in the music (it’s like Bernard Hermann coming back from the dead). Rebecca Romijn-Stamos or Antonio Banderas aren’t particularly great actors, but all in all it’s a good old vintage De Palma-movie.



Ehm, do excuse me for rambling off-topic :wink:[/quote]

Thanks for the insight Tony :slight_smile:



The last DePalma film I saw in the theater was Snake Eyes and it didnt really have much to it. It was definitely DePalma, but it just was lacking in the story dept. Ive loved almost every DePalma film Ive ever seen tho. Femme Fatale sounds like Im gonna dig it, so thats cool.



I mean, Scorseses my favorite director and he has a few films that I dont like, so thats the way I look at it. Scorsese and DePalma are my two faves so Im always gonna go see their films regardless of critics reviews.


#16

thinking about it again, I believe there are two possibilities:


  1. either kill bill gets no academy awards, but tons of little independent cinema prizes, and much more.


  2. or, there will be supporting actor/actress, best actress, cinematography or set design whatsoever awars.



    that’s what i think. there surely won’t be a best picture oscar for it, maybe not even a best director, i think that could come with Glorious Bastards…



    but what the heck, its the fucking academy awards, who gives a shit about that?

#17

if anything, the way it sounds im pretty damn sure it will get the cinematography. Who knows maybe best picture


#18

I think Kill Bill could definitely win some Oscars for the Acting, Cinematography and Editing, Sound and Set Design.



I highly doubt that a film like Kill Bill could win Best Picture. If it did it would be the first Exploitation film to ever win. That would be amazing in itself.



It would be great if QT won Best Director for it. But usually Best Director and Best Picture go hand in hand. But you never know :slight_smile:


#19

Ummmm, is the movie out already? Nope. Setttle down, people. The oscars are stupid. QT already has FAN recognition. Everyone’s seen Pulp Fiction. Everyone who lived through the 90’s knows his name. Who cares if some douche bags give him a stupid statue? The Academy is lame beyond belief. Last time durring the awards they kissed black people’s asses. I’m not say that the two performances that year weren’t good but Denzel winning was a stretch. Potier is great as well but when it was a trifecta I thought it was bullshit. Nothing against blacks, it just seemed kind of fishy.


#20

exactly. the oscars are fucking bullshit.

i mean i would give Halle Berry all oscars of the world, especially mine, but lets leave that outa here now :wink:



i dont even wish kill bill an oscar, Tarantino is beyond oscar.

he should be back in the oscar race again for something like Glorious Bastards