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Elle and Pai Mei


#1

I’m sorry if there’s a topic about this already…



I watched Vol 2 today and it struck me; Elle killed Pai Mei and then went to work for Bill. Do you think she told Bill she killed Pai Mei or that he just died of extreme old age… or… what?



I kind of got the impression the Bill was fond of Pai Mei and wouldn’t take so kindly to his murderer.



What do you think?


#2

I don’t think Elle would have dared tell Bill she killed Pai Mei. She was crazy about Bill, but had no problem lieing to him or screwing him over. Like killing his own brother. But there probably was enough fear of the man to know that killing Pai Mei would mean her death. She was good, but not that good.


#3

That was not good to stay with fear of the man neither, she should have dared to tell Bill she killed Pai Mei at a moment when she have the black mamba and her sword.


#4

Yeah, but Bill would’nt be in contact with Pai Mei anyway as the Pai Mei did’nt seem to have any electricity, So Bill would only see Pai Mei when Bill was dropping off another student, which he never does after Elle.


#5

Elle didn’t fear Bill because he was a man, but rather because he was her leader. Have you ever seen a film callled A Bronx Tale. There’s a line that goes, “Is it better to be feared than loved?” Answer. "Fear lasts longer than love… it’s fear thta keeps them loyal."



Look at the Bride, she loved Bill, but she never feared him. So revenge was something she could brew up with the right amount of hatred.



Elle is a self servin bitch. Bill is the boss, so of course she want’s to be his girl. But she’ld never come up against him face to face the way the Bride did.


#6

Good question MsOrange, that thought has never even occured to me till now, but thinking about it, wouldnt Bill have some how found out?



I mean Elle has here eye patch at the Bride’s wedding rehersal, so Pai Mei must have been dead for at leat five years…and Bill would have noticed by then that his tutor, and arguably the worlds greatest Kung Fu artists, was dead…so I guess that Elle must have lied about how he died (she was preety convincing on the phone to Bill when she was lying about Budd’s death)…because no matter how fond he was of Elle (as a substetute for Bea, or otherwise) I cant imagine him forgiving her for killing Pai Mei…


#7

I don’t believe that bitch killed Pai Mei.


#8

you saw it with your own eyes!


#9

It was shown how she told it. Haven’t you seen in some movies where someone tells a story and it is shown for example how a man kills another guy, and later when the true story reveals it is shown that another person killed that guy like the TRUE version? Actually that never happened, Pai Mei couldn’t die like this.


#10

hmm, good point :wink:

now this could be something

maybe she just told uma that to make her angry and so she would fight like a real woman (that sounded stupid :wink: )



well, well, we’ll never get the answer i guess…


#11

I already guessed :slight_smile:

Stupid Elle made such an idiotic mistake, Kiddo probably snatched out her eye in memory of Pai Mei, haha.


#12

She is a case, but I love Elle, I don’t know why. Bill let her give lies and screw him over. It’s not only because she has fear of her leader, perhaps she lies to him because she don’t feel to be much to him.


#13

My two cents:



Pai Mei liked to fight with his students to know their abilities, so Elle could have told Bill that she killed Pai Mei during training. Bill maybe found out that killing the master made her a good partner in DiVAS.


#14

Didn’t she go back long after the training was over and kill him?


#15

[quote=“WeaselCo”]
Didn’t she go back long after the training was over and kill him?
[/quote]

She seemed to be wearing the same clothes when Pai Mei died. Doesnt rule out the possibilty though, though I doubt it. I think she just killed him after or in de midst of training.


#16

[quote=“Dungeons and dragons players handbook V3.5”]Purity of Body (Ex): At 5th level, a monk gains immunity to all diseases except for supernatural and magical diseases.[/quote]
[quote=“Dungeons and dragons players handbook V3.5”]Diamond Body (Su): At 11th level, a monk gains immunity to poisons of all kinds.[/quote]

Now in order to be strong enough to break a hordwoodboard Pai Mei must have been at least level 15 (if he had a decent strength score, which its safe to assume he did), and also if he was over a thousand years old he would have had to gain the feat “Extend Life Span” dozens of times:
[quote]EXTENDED LIFE SPAN [EPIC]

Benefit: Add one-half the maximum result of the character’s race’s maximum age modifier to the character’s normal middle age, old, and venerable age categories. Calculate the character’s maximum age using the new venerable number. This feat can’t lower the character’s current age category.



Special: A character can gain this feat multiple times. Its effects stack. [/quote]
Now in order to gain this many epic feats its likly that pai-mei is at least level 300-400, meaning that no poison could posibly penetrate his perfect mabotalism.



(Yes, the V3.5 D&D rules do apply in kill bill)


#17

[quote](Yes, the V3.5 D&D rules do apply in kill bill)[/quote]

Then why didn’t Kiddo have 1d6 poison attack, +2 dexterity, cold resistance and so on built in her katana?


#18

Do you think QT was thinking D&D when he was writing Kill Bill? Do you think the man EVER played the game? stay on course here. It’s a movie and a screenplay. Not an D&D adventure.


#19

[quote]Then why didn’t Kiddo have 1d6 poison attack, +2 dexterity, cold resistance and so on built in her katana?[/quote]
it was +14 vorpal keen, I though everyone knew that ;D



But yeah roulettes right D&D has very little to do with Kill Bill, I refuse to beleive pai mei died tho, he was playing dead… or it was his twin… or elle was just lying… or something…


#20

[quote=“roulette67”]
Do you think QT was thinking D&D when he was writing Kill Bill? Do you think the man EVER played the game? stay on course here. It’s a movie and a screenplay. Not an D&D adventure.
[/quote]

I don’t think too that he was thinking about this when he wrote the script… He isn’t a fan of these games ! But who knows ?