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Well TDK doesn’t break any boundaries and in this day and age a film needs to do that to be considered the best film of all time.
It is a great superhero movie but so is the original superman movie or spiderman 2, its a film that deserves praise but its receiving praise from all the wrong people and for all the wrong reasons. people who have no knowledge and dont care about cinema, who will abandon it when the hysteria surrounding the tabloid interest story of Heath Ledgers death subsides. I agree his performance will remain iconic and deservedly so, his character is the best thing about the movie and he is a fine actor but the entire movie is far from perfect.
I’m graduating from film school in november myself so I know how the whole academic thing works. Maybe if you don’t appreciate Citizen Kane and The Godfather you should take another career path.
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OK I get what you are saying about the whole hype thing, you’re certainly right to at least some degree.
I still want to know about the whole boundaries thing though:
Totally hypothetical story:
Let’s say Movie A gets released and it is a somehwat decent movie that introduces a new kind of filming technique, praised by critics and film scholars. This technical aspect aside, the film itself is satisfying, but nothing special. Later that year, along comes movie B. It has a great story, characters and everything, audiences and critics love it. ON TOP OF THAT, it uses the same filming technique that was invented by other people for movie A.
Now: Which movie is better?
Answer Nr.1: Movie B.
Answer Nr. 2 (aka the Film snob douchebag answer): Movie A.
What’s your answer?
[quote=“PutneySwope”]
And anyone who thinks The Godfather is boring just doesnt like movies (IMO).
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That is extremely ignorant and close-minded. I love movies more that anything. My 1000+ DVD collection doesn’t lie.
[quote=“Crazy Kenneth”]
OK I get what you are saying about the whole hype thing, you’re certainly right to at least some degree.
I still want to know about the whole boundaries thing though:
Totally hypothetical story:
Let’s say Movie A gets released and it is a somehwat decent movie that introduces a new kind of filming technique, praised by critics and film scholars. This technical aspect aside, the film itself is satisfying, but nothing special. Later that year, along comes movie B. It has a great story, characters and everything, audiences and critics love it. ON TOP OF THAT, it uses the same filming technique that was invented by other people for movie A.
Now: Which movie is better?
Answer Nr.1: Movie B.
Answer Nr. 2 (aka the Film snob douchebag answer): Movie A.
What’s your answer?
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The Godfather has “a great story, characters and everything”.
[quote=“Scarface”]
The Godfather has “a great story, characters and everything”.
There you go. Kinda defeats your whole argument.
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It was a hypothetical thing, I had no real movies in mind. Let’s pretend everybody agrees movie A is decent, apart from the technique thing, which is excellent, and everybody also agrees movie B is great, even without the technical aspect, but it DID NOT INVENT IT, the people working on movie A did.
Kenneth: Sorry man but I stand by my Godfather statement. 1000 DVDs or not, if you cant even watch and appreciate The Godfather, you shouldnt even bother watching movies.
If you can actually watch The Godfather and NOT like it…Its time to hand in the film fan card and start collecting Hello Kitty memorabilia or something.
[quote=“PutneySwope”]
If you can actually watch The Godfather and NOT like it…Its time to hand in the film fan card and start collecting Hello Kitty memorabilia or something.
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So ridiculous…what other movies do I HAVE to like in order to be a film fan? Or is it just the Godfather?
One of the scenes in The Dark Knight which stood out for me was when he asked that cop “How many of your friends have I killed?” And when the cop replies with the number 6, The Joker mouths “Six?” Sublime.
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That was weird for me because my mother and sister were really big fans of that show Buffy the vampire slayer and its spin off Angel… so that basically makes me an expert to… i Immediately recognised the guy that plays that cop from angel even tho he wasnt that big of a character… thats the only other thing ive seen him in… his names damn hard to pronounce…
[quote=“Crazy Kenneth”]
So ridiculous…what other movies do I HAVE to like in order to be a film fan? Or is it just the Godfather?
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I dont think you have to like any movie… but there are some films which are undeniably well made ect - example i hate Requiem for a dream but i understand why everyone thinks its so great and i dont hate it because i think its a bad film on its own terms i just dont like it personally…
Yup I watched The Godfather yesterday (I never said it’s bad) and I enjoyed it. It is undeniably a good movie, but that doesn’t mean I have to enjoy it that much. It’s nowhere near my 400 favourite movies of all time.
After this epic prestige project that was obviously based on literature and screaming for Oscar praise, I was in need for some good simple american B-culture, so I watched Carpenter’s Christine for the first time. A true winner!
[quote=“Crazy Kenneth”]
Yup I watched The Godfather yesterday (I never said it’s bad) and I enjoyed it. It is undeniably a good movie, but that doesn’t mean I have to enjoy it that much. It’s nowhere near my 400 favourite movies of all time.[/quote]
That makes sense. Its a undeniably good movie but that doesnt mean you have to enjoy it that much? Its not even on your Top 400? Id like to hear which films are above it!
I dont think you even watched it man. A 7/10 for The Godfather AND Christine? Gimme a break. Ones an all time cinema classic, the other is a fun horror movie.
I simply dont trust anyone who owns 1000 DVDs and doesnt even have a copy of The Godfather in there. Its like you just discovered the movie yesterday? How old are you? 13?
Yes but if a movie is considered as a classic or a masterpiece by both the public and/or critics doesn’t matter in the slightest to me when it comes to the question: "how much did I enjoy it?"
Does The Godfather have a deserved masterpiece status? Yes.
Does Christine deserve such a masterpiece status? No.
Do I enjoy both movies about the same amount? Yes.
Do I have all 3 Godfather movies in my DVD collection since forever? Yes.
How old am I? 24.
I can give you 71 movies (my all time favourites list) that I enjoy more than The Godfather:
Kill Bill: Vol.2
Kill Bill: Vol.1
Chung Hing sam lam (Chungking Express)
Kikujiro no natsu (Kikujiros Sommer)
Sonatine
Hana-bi
Jackie Brown
Death Proof
Pulp Fiction
Kaze no tani no Naushika (Nausicaä aus dem Tal der Winde)
Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles
The Delta Force
Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles II: The Secret of the Ooze
And the Godfather isnt on the Top 400?!! Its on The AFI Top 100. So you either have very unique taste (Not really) or you just dont like great movies. And its been in your collection but you never bothered to watch it once until I brought it up?!
Dude at this point, I dont believe anything you say.
Where did you get that I only watched in once? I saw it before.
OK, so in your world I don’t like great movies. lol, okay. That’s so sad and pathetic of you.
Since when is the AFI the source for whether a movie is good or not? The AFI isn’t exactly made up of film geeks, they care about FILMHISTORICAL RELEVANCE and influence on film history most of all.
Do Citizen Kane and The Godfather have tremendous filmhistorical relevance and did they influence a ton of other movies? YES.
Does that AUTOMATICALLY mean that I have to enjoy them more than other movies? NO.
I hope you can at least roughly understand my point(s). If not, then sorry dude you’re not exactly bright.
Youre not on the same page as me when it comes to movies I guess. Maybe its your age or something. To me films like Citizen Kane and The Godfather are pretty much the zenith of great cinema and theyre both timeless.
For you to say you dont think theyre that great and esp that The Godfather isnt on your Top 400 films of all time is both ridiculous and really ignorant to me.
Kill Bill Vol 1 and Vol 2 are your #1 and #2 films of all time? By the way Kill Bill is ONE FILM!! NOT TWO!!
I cant believe Im even wasting my time talking to you about this stuff. Forget it.
You know I never would have guessed that a guy who runs a database about exploitation movies is really an ignorant close-minded film snob who buys into the whole value system ideology when it comes to movies.
Maybe if I’m 10 years older (like you?) I will see the light. Maybe then I will simply copy/paste the AFI list into my list of favourite movies and start pretending to myself that I enjoy every Howard Hawks comedy 100 times as much as I enjoy Ghostbusters and The Goonies. And that I find High Noon a masterpiece and Rio Bravo not.
btw, Kill Bill maybe is supposed to be one movie, but it was in FACT released as two movies.
I love The Godfather and consider it one of the best films ever made. Same with Citizen Kane. Regardless of what lists theyre on.
You just sound like a dumbass when you say stuff like “Its not even on my Top 400 Movies” list. Then you put another movie like Death Proof at Number 8?!
You gotta be retarded. You have no idea what youre even saying. Plus, you probably havent seen half of the movies youve listed.
Lets end this discussion, its obvious youre not operating on a full tank of gas.
"You gotta be retarded. You have no idea what youre even saying.You probably havent seen half of the movies youve listed."
LMFAO. I gotta be retarded? No idea what I’m saying?
Once again I marvel at your superb rhetoric skills. Way to show me my place with your witty and intelligent remarks.
“Yo Pete, I enjoy quite a few movies more than I enjoy The Godfather or even Citizen Kane.”
"Oh yeah? Well YOU’RE UGLY!"
That’s about the level you’re moving around, pal.
Why would you think that I haven’t seen the movies I have listed as my favourite ones? That makes NO sense at all.
Is it possible for a person to enjoy Death Proof more than The Godfather? I think so. You don’t. that makes you stupid. Is The Godfather a better movie? that is an entirely different question. Get it? I doubt that you get it. But there is hope.
[quote=“Crazy Kenneth”]
Is it possible for a person to enjoy Death Proof more than The Godfather? I think so.
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That statement proves youre an idiot. You havent seen The Godfather or Citizen Kane. If you have and you think Death Proof is better, youre seriously messed up in the head. OR youre just trying to stir up a reaction to the dumb things you say.
Anyways, Im done with this conversation. Its really really stupid. Im sorry I even wasted my time treating you like a fellow film fan with brains.
When someone says: “I liked Death Proof more than The Godfather” my brain goes “WHAAA?!!” It doesnt make sense to me. I feel like that person is saying it to get a reaction because its so bizarre. If you want to stand out by saying things like that. Cool. Youre a rebel because you like Death Proof more than The Godfather. Nice. I’m impressed.
