It’s really sad to see DEATH PROOF bomb in the UK. They have complained of boring dialogue and the whole movie being horrible all together.
it´s very sad that it opened with 6th place only. i guess you could say it bombed, yeah. the world is screwed.
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the world is screwed.
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There’s still hope as long as Harry Potter makes money.
I think its funny people actually rate a movie on how much money it made. So every POS Hollywood smash that Id never even watch is better than DP cuz it made more cash? Thats BS.
Quite disappoining, yes. There’s no beating behind the bush. The whole campaign of this movie was a total mess from the get-go. Naming your movie Grindhouse, then splitting it up and calling it Death Proof because it flopped in the US… you just alienate and confuse people like that. Not to mention the fact that it opened months after its US release. Many QT fans had already downloaded it or bought the R1 DVD anyway.
As long as QT keeps making his films. I dont care how much $$ it made.
Yeah, but Harvey is the one who’s shelling out the money at the end of the day. I hope this won’t affect the financing of big projects like IB. :-</E>
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As long as QT keeps making his films. I dont care how much $$ it made.
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how much money they make may affect future projects, don´t you think?
of course it doesn´t make me like a movie more or less if it´s successful or not.
ALSO: i´m 99% sure the split of Grindhouse for the international market was decided BEFORE the US-release. can anybody back me up on this?
Im sure QT could go freelance and just work at diff studios. He doesnt need the Weinsteins. Theyre greedy fuckin pigs anyways.
I also think the Weinsteins shouldve known better to even let them do the 3 hour Grindhouse thing. Kill Bill was split up for the exact reason Grindhouse failed.
The bottom line is Robert Rodriguez caused this whole fuckin problem. It was his genius idea to do the double feature. Just cuz he has an idea doesnt mean its a good one. Also, Fuck him and his CGI bullshit too. I dont even like his movies.
QT is at fault for even listening to him. Im not saying he wasnt involved in the flop.
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ALSO: i´m 99% sure the split of Grindhouse for the international market was decided BEFORE the US-release. can anybody back me up on this?
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False. Ads in the UK back in March were advertising the movie as Grindhouse, not Death Proof. I remember seeing such adverts on Empire Magazine. It was only after Grindhouse flopped in the US that they decided to seperate the 2 movies for the European markets and to release them at a later date.
It was a bad idea to do a Double Feature. Thats the honest truth. Its not 1975. Its 2007. They shouldve just released the films separately.
QT should never listen to Rodriguez again. If Rodriguez wants to score some of his films, thats cool. But no more “Hey! I got an idea!” BS. Hes just not the right guy to listen to.
[quote=“PutneySwope”]
It was a bad idea to do a Double Feature. Thats the honest truth. Its not 1975. Its 2007. They shouldve just released the films separately.
QT should never team up with Rodriguez again. If Rodriguez wants to score some of his films, thats cool. But no more double features.
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As much as I hate to admit it…your right! I mean if more people would get the whole concept of grindhouse it would have been big but as you know some people just dont know what exploitation means. If Death Proof and Planet Terror were split in the states I think it would have done better but I know I sure enjoyed it!
When it comes to movies, QT should never listen to anyone but himself. His reputation is too important. He doesnt need hacks fucking it up.
IMO QT and RR both did this project for themselves. What with the missing pieces and whatnot. That was their joy. They thought it was cool…and it was to some degree but I frankly found it annoying as hell then and now. Only the die hard fan rolled with it and thought it was neat that parts of the movie were missing. (Okay, we’re all in on the cool bits!) The rest of the world thankfully, did not have to suffer missing hot bits!
Both directors enjoyed thier work, the actors seemed to enjoy the partay sets non stop. They made films that will find their way into every film buffs DVD collection and they did something they enjoyed and were passionate about. Theres nothing wrong with that. Its happened often actually. Film makers deserve to make a film for their own amusement sometimes but more often than not, these films are not immediately (key word) successful.
funny how 2 of my favourite movies of all time were both done by 2 directors who appearently were just having fun (Drath Proof-QT, Kikujiro no natsu - Kitano)
hey, directors need to stop being so serious, huh?! Hal Needham would probably agree.
too bad about box office though.
I thought QT always had fun making films. He always does the stuff he wants to see.
I dont think its about being serious or not serious. Its just about making good movies. QT said he put everything he had into DP. What else can we ask for? The box office stuff isnt under his control.
[quote=“PutneySwope”]
I thought QT always had fun making films. He always does the stuff he wants to see.
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of course. i just meant…
…many movies are too “serious” and unnecessarily epic. directors out there are trying to become “respected” by making some war drama or political thriller, when really they should be making the next "Smokey and the Bandit"
DP is more relaxed, more “just for fun” and it works 100%. QT is serious about making cool movies.
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Im sure QT could go freelance and just work at diff studios. He doesnt need the Weinsteins. Theyre greedy fuckin pigs anyways.
I also think the Weinsteins shouldve known better to even let them do the 3 hour Grindhouse thing. Kill Bill was split up for the exact reason Grindhouse failed.
The bottom line is Robert Rodriguez caused this whole fuckin problem. It was his genius idea to do the double feature. Just cuz he has an idea doesnt mean its a good one. Also, Fuck him and his CGI bullshit too. I dont even like his movies.
QT is at fault for even listening to him. Im not saying he wasnt involved in the flop.
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Robert Rodriguez is not to blame for the financial bust that was Grindhouse. His movies are riddled with CGI, but he only uses it to expedite the filmmaking process that allows him to move with confidence and efficiency. I liked Planet Terror - but it was the missing reel that really ruined the PT experience, and I would have enjoyed the film a whole lot better if there wasen’t a missing reel in the theatrical cut. And didin’t QT mention that the entire Grindhouse idea came from both of them. It’s a collaborative effort after all - and if QT thought that the entire idea were in fact stupid, he would have never made it. So saying that it was Robert’s fault is rediculous. And I really do enjoy Robert’s movies, in the exception of Spy Kids and Lava Boy with Thunder girl - or whatever it was called. I see Grindhouse as a successful faliure - and these guys had the balls to bring the entire world a whole new experience of Grindhouse cinema that not many people have seen or even heard of.
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It’s really sad to see DEATH PROOF bomb in the UK. They have complained of boring dialogue and the whole movie being horrible all together.
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Yeah, but Harvey is the one who’s shelling out the money at the end of the day. I hope this won’t affect the financing of big projects like IB. :-</E>
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You also have to realize that the film industry is build around profit - these guys trust Quentin and still do, since Pulp Fiction. And they invested over 90M dollars on this project. That’s a lot of money to put up for a film - and this was a spectacular film to say the least. The Weinstein’s - I beleive anyway - do have a genuine love for movies, they recently purchased Diary Of The Dead, which I beleive will transcend the genre that George created to higher levels, and banish all the nonsense that we’ve been seeing over and over again. But again - money makes the world go 'round and if they keep losing it they’ll go bankrupt. This isin’t some fantasy world where a filmmaker is able to do whatever he wants - (maybe George Lucas), they at least have to make sure that they get their money back and they didin’t. They tried but they failed. But it happens - it happened to Ron Howard with Cinderella Man, it happened to Oliver Stone with Alexander and World Trade Center. That still dosen’t mean that QT is washed up - it just means people weren’t ready for it because they don’t understand what the point of it all was. I think Grindhouse will regain what they lost through DVD sales.
the answer is simple - the general public are idiots. they’d rather see safe generic bollocks than vital cinema. true cinema is dying as we speak, your lucky to get 3 films released on mainstream screens each year that are watchable. grindhouse was a gutsy move and should be applauded.