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#1

I’m a long time lurker in this forum but I was talking to a friend who is also a big fan of the movie and this question came up. I haven’t saw it discussed anywhere, (I might have missed it), so I decided to post it.



Were you surprised that the fact that the Bride didn’t kill Budd never came up in the closing sequence? The first time I saw the movie I actually thought that would be thing that would allow the Bride and Bill to bury the hatchet, for their daughter, if nothing else. (The Bride gets her revenge by dispatching three of her assailants, including Bill’s new live-in but allows Bill to live so her daughter can have a father. Bill has no reason to be mad at the Bride because she killed (sort of) Elle who had killed Bill’s brother.) Plus. it just seemed very Tarantinoian that he would make a movie called Kill Bill where Bill didn’t get killed. (BTW I would’ve have liked that ending but that’s were I though he was going.) Hallf-assed conjecturing aside, I was surprised that Budd’s death never even came up again in the movie after it happened.


#2

But remeber, as far as Bill is concerened, the Bride DID kill Budd, because after she (Elle Driver) kills Budd she rings up Bill and tells that the Beatrix (the bride) killed him using a black mamba…


#3

[quote=“pulpjackson”] The first time I saw the movie I actually thought that would be thing that would allow the Bride and Bill to bury the hatchet, for their daughter, if nothing else. (The Bride gets her revenge by dispatching three of her assailants, including Bill’s new live-in but allows Bill to live so her daughter can have a father. Bill has no reason to be mad at the Bride because she killed (sort of) Elle who had killed Bill’s brother.)[/quote]

Bill NEVER found out that it was really Elle who killed Budd and not Beatrix. Bill was still left with the impression that it was Beatrix who killed Budd from the phone call Elle made to him. What was interesting is that in the Bill/Beatirx converstation near the end of the film, Bill never even brings up the issue of Beatrix killing Budd. The only hatred Bill had for Beatirx was the notion of Beatrix leaving him to marry some jackoff while being also pregnant with his child. Although I don’t agree with what Bill did to Beatirx I can also understand why he would react like that.


#4

I realize that Bill never found out. Alll I was saying was that I was surprised it didn’t come back as a plot point later in the movie. i.e. (during the truth serum scene or at some other time) It just seemed strange, to me, that Elle’s double cross never really reached a resolution. She lies to Bill and then that tangent of the story seemed to get dropped and is never mentioned or referred to again.


#5

Bea did kill Budd



SPOILER



The Black Mamba doesnt attack Bea.

Thats cause they’re one and the same.


#6

[color=Purple]a few things here.



ONE: didnt Bill find out about the baby being his AFTER the massacre went down at two pines?



TWO: We don’t know that Elle is dead.



THREE: Bill had to know that Bea didn’t kill Budd with a Black Mamba. It’s very much not her style. Wouldn’t he be suspious?


#7

Yeh, I think Bill knew Elle had killed Budd, maybe because putting a Black Mamba in his camper wasn’t her style or maybe it was another reason, also he probably knew he was going to die on that night (hence all the drinking) and wanted to get other matters sorted first.


#8

I was somewhat let down by the fact that Budd is seemingly forgotten. It just felt wrong, in a way.It’s always been a minor detractor from my enjoyment. I felt like Budd should at least have been asked about. I don’t know if you (pulpjackson) or anyone else felt like this.



Just seemed wrong.



But maybe Bill had more important things to talk about, such as finding out why Beatrix left him. Also, he had probably stopped truly caring about Budd long before.


#9

Exactly, there are more important things to discuss. The movie is called Kill Bill. And now that we are in the closeing moments of this great epic tale of revenge, we gotta get to Bill and Bea. It’s what the whole movie has led up to. And its really not that important who killed Budd anyway. As much as I love Budd. When I first saw the movie the same thought occured to me. Why didn’t his name come up? But after we got to the good stuff I soon forgot about it and it didn’t matter anymore. And now after many, many viewings it doesn’t really matter anymore.



But as someone else said. If you want to get detailed about what’s really going on in the mind of these characters, Bill probably didn’t believe Elle, and most of all didn’t believe that she was six feet under the ground. Theres no doubt that he was expecting her and he also must have told Estaban that she was coming. “Dis? I heard you were driving a truck?”


#10

[quote=“Bleddian”]
I was somewhat let down by the fact that Budd is seemingly forgotten. It just felt wrong, in a way.It’s always been a minor detractor from my enjoyment. I felt like Budd should at least have been asked about. I don’t know if you (pulpjackson) or anyone else felt like this.

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That’s what makes Budd’s story even more tragic: he’s forgotten.


#11

Killing Budd with a snake… That’s just so Elle style. She’s just that kind of woman.


#12

[quote=“Bleach”]
Killing Budd with a snake… That’s just so Elle style. She’s just that kind of woman.
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Excellent observation, maybe Bill made the connection. But during the second volume there were hints and suggestions that Bill and Bud were estranged siblings. Bill just cared enough to give Bud fair warning and then it seemed like they pretty much burned the bridge. Bud is one of favorite characters and sadly he is forgotten. Well considering he became basically alcholic bum and bouncer some time after the Two Pines Massacre. Maybe he was overcome with guilt.

#13

[quote=“pulpjackson”]
I’m a long time lurker in this forum but I was talking to a friend who is also a big fan of the movie and this question came up. I haven’t saw it discussed anywhere, (I might have missed it), so I decided to post it.



Were you surprised that the fact that the Bride didn’t kill Budd never came up in the closing sequence? The first time I saw the movie I actually thought that would be thing that would allow the Bride and Bill to bury the hatchet, for their daughter, if nothing else. (The Bride gets her revenge by dispatching three of her assailants, including Bill’s new live-in but allows Bill to live so her daughter can have a father. Bill has no reason to be mad at the Bride because she killed (sort of) Elle who had killed Bill’s brother.) Plus. it just seemed very Tarantinoian that he would make a movie called Kill Bill where Bill didn’t get killed. (BTW I would’ve have liked that ending but that’s were I though he was going.) Hallf-assed conjecturing aside, I was surprised that Budd’s death never even came up again in the movie after it happened.
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Im sorry, but thats STUPID. Bea’s main anger and hatred, was for Bill. The rest of the assassins, were basically just her co-workers. Killing is what they do. They were just doing what they were told to do. The reason the entire massacre happened was because Bea left Bill and deceived him. The DiVAS had no part of it. There were no Personal Politics regarding the DiVAS. It was BILL that really deserved Bea’s hatred. Bea just killed them because they all helped Bill in fucking her over. For Bea to kill them (the ones that dont matter as much) and spare the life of Bill, would be ABSOLUTELY PREPOSTOUROUS


#14

But wasn’t there a jealousy/hate thing going on between Elle and Bea?


#15

In real life. :smiley:



Totally unrelated question here but in v1 during the animation sequence was the bosses assistant Bill?


#16

yes


#17

it’s possible


#18

David Carradine said it is


#19

REALLY!?!..man thats wierd…but then why would O-ren work for Bill?


#20

I don’t know. ???