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The Two Lost Villains


#1

I’d like to discuss two villains that I wanted to see more of, and didn’t.



They are Bill and the sadistic-psycho killer in the animated sequence (not the main baddie, but his right hand man).



Bill-We saw a fair amount of him, but I’m yet to see what makes him so bad. He is bad, don’t get me wrong, but I’m not sure how bad…he didn’t seem evil, as in out of the ordinary. He needs to be one of the best and most horrible villains ever. At the moment Elle Driver (spelling) seems to be worse. I’d want Bill to be the main badman, thus validating this whole blood feud that The Bride has against him.



The other dude- He was horrible, and deserved to be killed off. What happened to him?


#2

Bill shot a pregnant woman in the head without expressing any emotion. I don’t know how much worse you can get. Bill doesn’t need to be pyschotic like Mr. Blonde or Drexl to be a good villain…cold hearted and indifferent works just as well on many levels.


#3

He seems more honorable…like when he spared Uma’s life. He also doesn’t seem to have a mean/evil spirit. I’m not saying he’s not evil, as he clearly is, but he should be much worse. As I said, the other woman (Driver) seems to be the worst of all of those Uma intends to kill, and I’d really like that honor to go to Bill.


#4

I’d have to go with Puck here. I thought that Bill was as evil as he needed to be. He shot The Bride in cold blood. He didn’t even wait to hear her finish her sentence. And the expression on Hattori’s face says it all. Bill is probably the reason Hattori retired from making Japanese steel 26 yrs earlier. That was enough for me to believe the sadistic side of Bill, plus this volume is not to concern us with details about Bill, that is vol 2’s job. We see him slice and dice Michael Jai White’s ass, and he is rumored to slice and dice QT’s ass, too. Get ready, February belongs to Bill.


#5

By the way, does anyone have thoughts about The Bride’s last words? I think they are something similar to "But Bill, its your child."



Anyway…I guess that may be right…but Ellie Driver seems so much worse than him.


#6

How is she worse? We never even see her kill or harm anybody in this movie, and all of her hatred for the Bride stems from jealousy. Based off of what impressions Volume 1 gives off, I’d say O-Ren is the worst of the bunch.


#7

O-Ren was also very sympathetic…or at least to a fair degree. What are your feelings on O-Ren? Is she completely the product of the system? Is she evil on her own account, or was she forced into it? Is she truely evil?



Ellie also seems to be quite the sadist, and wants to bring much pain to the Bride.


#8

I don’t care how she was made to be evil, she was evil. She became worse than the people that killed her parents, in any case. Elle may be venemous and spiteful…but I haven’t seen anything yet that would indicate her being on the same level as O-Ren or even Bill for that matter.


#9

I have yet to read the script but i have to agree that bill seems honorable, although doing horrible things of course. Same with O-ren



Ellie seems nuts and the most obvertly bad.



The one villian that interest me, other than the right hand man mentioned (who i still think needs to be explained. He seems to important to just cast off), was Budd.



Maybe it’s just me, and again i havent read the script, but he seems almost remorseful. Somber even. Like in that scene where the bride looks up, the other characters look down at her but Budd kinda looks straight down at her. Plus with his closing line.


#10

It breaks down like this.



Bill is (as QT says) the ‘ultimate corrupter.’ He’s not necessarily a sadist or an ‘evil’ guy, so much as he does what he feels he needs to do, and has a very convincing way about him. I would agree that Elle is more evil than Bill, but that is not to imply that Bill is not evil himself. He’s just not as open about it (as is evident by the fact that he sends his divas out to kill rather than do it himself).



Yes, the line was 'Bill, the baby’s yours.'



I don’t see O-Ren as being sympathetic, but I do see her as being honorable.



I can’t wait for Budd.


#11

Regarding Bill, i think this answers your questions:



" In another age men who shook the world for their own purposes were called conquerors. In our age, the men who shake the planet for their own power and greed are called corrupters. And of the world’s corrupters Bill stands alone. For while he corrupts the world, inside himself he is pure."





Straight from the script.


#12

So does that mean he is a good guy? I’m even more confused now…does anyone have an accurate interpretation for this?


#13

[quote]So does that mean he is a good guy? I’m even more confused now…does anyone have an accurate interpretation for this?[/quote]

It means he’s self righteous and feels so strongly about his own personal conquests that he even manages to give off the impression that he’s a saint and pillar of moral stability, when, in fact, he’s leaving a wake of corruption, death, and greed wherever he goes.



Even his decision to leave the Bride alive, despite the fact that it comes off as honorable, is, at its root, a selfish act that leads to the deaths of those that depended on him the most, good or evil.


#14

Aren’t Bill and the badass in the cartoon the same guy? I just figure that was Bill because of the hair, the rings and the way he used his hands. It would be a cool twist to see just how persuasive a guy he is that he gets O-ren to love him after killing her dad.


#15

Go to the Kill bill anime segment post to see a LOOOOOOOOOONG discussion on this.


#16

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It means he’s self righteous and feels so strongly about his own personal conquests that he even manages to give off the impression that he’s a saint and pillar of moral stability, when, in fact, he’s leaving a wake of corruption, death, and greed wherever he goes.



Even his decision to leave the Bride alive, despite the fact that it comes off as honorable, is, at its root, a selfish act that leads to the deaths of those that depended on him the most, good or evil.  [/quote]

Nice insight Puck. Bill is one evil dude then. Have you read the script?


#17

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Nice insight Puck. Bill is one evil dude then. Have you read the script?
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Yeah, I've read the script before, but I haven't laid eyes on it since last Spring.