Scorsese - Master of urban epics

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ToothPicVega knows shit about movies.



Gangs of New York is CLASSIC Scorsese. It is on par with Raging Bull or Goodfellas



the only reason ToothPicVega did not like it because it is more entertaining then KILL BILL

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Gangs of New York is NOT on par with Raging Bull or Goodfellas or any of Scorsese’s other greats. GoNY is just one big set piece with uninteresting “action” and a very mediocre acting. The only good performances in the movie came from Brenden Gleeson, Liam Neeson (as small as his part was), and Daniel Day-Lewis. But all their work was pretty much nullified by the vortex of nothingness that occurred whenever DiCaprio and Diaz were on screen together, alone…which was about, oh, every other scene.



There are only three parts of the movie worth watching:


  1. The scene where Bill the Butcher is talking to Leo’s character while draped in the American flag (I even forgot what he was talking about, but it was good scene.


  2. The scene in which Bill the Butcher finds out Vallon was planing on betraying him, and did the whole bit with the butcher’s knives in front of the audience.


  3. The scene in which Bill the Butcher kills the newly elected Sheriff McGin.



    And despite the greatness of those scenes, they really amount to nothing when stacked against 3 hrs of “blah”. The movie could have been so much more than what it was, which is probably the saddest thing of all, too.

I personally thought Gangs kicked royal ass.

Gangs is a royal bore. Daniel Day Lewis does kick some ass but it could have been much much shorter.

I thought that GoNy was a great movie. I thought that it lacked a lot of things ,but it was great movie by Scorcese. I liked Leo’s character, but he could have done a lot better job. Daniel Day Lewis was robbed IMO of a Best Actor oscar for his work in the film. I think that he created a memorable character in Bill. He was so good that I couldn’t stand it. He gave me goosebumps in that scene where he is shot bya would be assassin and he screams out in fury. This is by no means one of Scorcese’s best, but it was a great film.



Last night I watched 2 of Scorcese’s best films. Raging Bull was on ESPN classic, and Mean Streets was on Encore about an hour after Raging Bull finished. Those were 2 of his best. My favorite out of the 2 is Raging Bull. I thought that DeNiro was just so wonderful, and any man that is built as a skinny man, and then puts on 50 pounds of fat to truly portray the real Jake LaMotta is a man that will do anything to make his character real. There were pop ups while the movie was playing, giving real information about the movie and how it was made, and it said that the producer of Raging Bull wanted DeNiro to wear a fat suit, so they didn’t have to stop production for a few months for him to gain the weight, and he said, “Hell no” in a furious manner, and said that it would just kill the performance and the movie, and then he went of and for 2 months put on fifty pounds. I thought that was great, and I applaud DeNiro for that. I thought that Pesci did an excellent job also. This was just a great film and since this story was based on a real person, that made it even better. That last fight in the movie with Lamotta and Sugar Ray Robinson was perfect. I don’t think that there has been a better boxing scene than that one.

Have any of you seen After Hours?underarated movie

I dissagree with Toothpick.Raging Bull is an epic.Now saying that that is not a epic is like saying Goodfellas is not a epic because it is not three hours.

[quote]Have any of you seen After Hours?underarated movie

I dissagree with Toothpick.Raging Bull is an epic.Now saying that that is not a epic is like saying Goodfellas is not a epic because it is not three hours.  [/quote]

Yeah Ive seen After Hours, great black comedy. I liked it alot.



As far as Raging Bull being an epic. Its really not an epic in scope or in running time, but I can see why youd think of the story as epic since it traces a big chunk of LaMottas life.



And nexxtarantino wherever you are: I fucked your mom in the ass and she had you. Gangs of NY was SHIT.

ToothPicVega that is not a nice thing to say about someone.



GANGS OF NEW YORK was great! it had story, plot and soul

a movie does not have to be big in scope per say



Raging Bull

Reservoir Dogs

Pulp Fiction

Taxi Driver

Do The Right Thing



these are all small epics

[quote]a movie does not have to be big in scope per say



Raging Bull

Reservoir Dogs

Pulp Fiction

Taxi Driver

Do The Right Thing



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I dont consider any of those films epics. Pulp Fiction is the only one Id consider more of an epic than the rest, thats only because QT stated he felt the film was an epic of sorts.



An epic is a story thats told in heightened form. To me thats films that are long in running time, big in scope. Movies like: Gone With The Wind, Giant, Ben Hur, Dr Zhivago, Apocalypse Now, The Good The Bad and The Ugly, Kill Bill (both volumes). Those are epics in the real sense of the word.



Gang of NY was an overproduced boring mess. It was everything that I hate about Hollywood movies. It was the biggest shitfest Scorseses ever done. I was totally dissapointed in it. Im never going to watch it again. And Im a huge Scorsese fan. I own almost all his movies.



Geekite, your thenextasshead right? Well, you should really shut the hell up, you dont know shit about anything, especially movies. Any stupid fuck that calls himself thenexttarantino then shits on the very director whos name he has deserves a fuckin beating. What a fuckin poser troll clown.

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I dont consider any of those films epics. Pulp Fiction is the only one Id consider more of an epic than the rest, thats only because QT stated he felt the film was an epic of sorts.



An epic is a story thats told in heightened form. To me thats films that are long in running time, big in scope. Movies like: Gone With The Wind, Giant, Ben Hur, Dr Zhivago, Apocalypse Now, The Good The Bad and The Ugly, Kill Bill (both volumes). Those are epics in the real sense of the word.



Gang of NY was an overproduced boring mess. It was everything that I hate about Hollywood movies. It was the biggest shitfest Scorseses ever done. I was totally dissapointed in it. Im never going to watch it again. And Im a huge Scorsese fan. I own almost all his movies.



Geekite, your thenextasshead right? Well, you should really shut the hell up, you dont know shit about anything, especially movies. Any stupid fuck that calls himself thenexttarantino then shits on the very director whos name he has deserves a fuckin beating. What a fuckin poser troll clown.


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I disagree on PF being closer to being an epic than Raging Bull. I feel QT probably labeled it an epic because it was such an ambitious leap to go from a tiny, independant movie like Reservoir Dogs to something comparatively larger in scope like Pulp. I think the directorial leap was more epic than the movie itself. Of course, I’m more than slightly biased, being a pretty big De Niro/Scorsese fan and all. However, both are excellent, excellent, EXCELLENT and are masterpieces/classics in their own right. I feel kind of dirty comparing making any statements about wether one is better or more epic than the other so I’m just gonna drop the subject, though.



Of course, I agree with your comment about geekite. :slight_smile:

Gangs of New York was a fantastic epic. It was one of those movies where you really feal for the characters because you’ve been through everything with them. And, like the Last Samurai, had some of the most beautiful cinematography of all time. I thought Daniel Day-Lewis played the performance of his life in Gangs of New York. And this is a hard thing to beat, He is in my top 3 favorit acters list, for the following movies; My left foot, Last of the Mohicans, and Gangs of New York. You see any of those movies and you will be a bonafide lewis fan.

[quote]Gangs of New York was a fantastic epic. It was one of those movies where you really feal for the characters because you’ve been through everything with them.[/quote]

Dude, are you kidding? Gangs of New York was terrible on all levels imo. Just because the cinematography is beautiful doesnt mean its a good movie. It was over produced, it was a mess storywise, the characters were totally flat (except Day Lewis of course) I didnt care about any of them and the beginning and the ending were both total shitfests. The opening was a crappy fast motion rock music fight, the ending was a rip off theres no big fight, just terrible!!



I havent seen Last Samurai, but I’ll bet that its 100 X better than GONY.

I AM NOT THE NEXT TARANTINO!



WHERE IS YOUR PROOF?!

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Dude, are you kidding? Gangs of New York was terrible on all levels imo. Just because the cinematography is beautiful doesnt mean its a good movie. It was over produced, it was a mess storywise, the characters were totally flat (except Day Lewis of course) I didnt care about any of them and the beginning and the ending were both total shitfests. The opening was a crappy fast motion rock music fight, the ending was a rip off theres no big fight, just terrible!!



I havent seen Last Samurai, but I’ll bet that its 100 X better than GONY.
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Hey, to each his own, but I liked it. I really did feal for the characters. I happaned to think it had a fantastic story and thought Scorsese played the entire think out well. But of course it’s all opinion, it isn’t like i’m the only person to like this movie.

Bringing out the Dead would have about 50 times better if Patricia Arquette wasn’t in it. She is possibly the most annoying actress since, well, the invention of film. Her piercing, nasal voice ruined every scene she was in.



Besides that, it had some good scenes, but I didn’t think it was anything too great.

Spaghetti_Western wrote:

so whats your favorite all the way to least favourite Scorsese Movies

i havent seen all of his so let me see.

1.taxi driver

2.Good fellas

3.gangs of new york

4.box car bertha

as you can see i have only seen 4 of his movies. so if you can recomend any to me that would be great.




JKiller:

1. Taxi Driver

2. Raging Bull

3. Goodfellas/Casino tie

4. Gangs of NY

i have yet to see mean streets, last temptation, king of comedy






Martin Scorsese is one of the greatest and best directors of all time and influenced many other directors with their work.

“Taxi Driver” is my absolute favorite by Scorsese because it has such an optical power and an outstanding performance by Robert De Niro getting wilder and harder till the bloody showdown and the “happy” end. A great film and with Leone’s “The Good, the Bad and the Ugly” and “Kill Bill” on my personal top 3 favorite films.

While I dislike most remakes, I think Scorsese improved on the original. I just saw INFERNAL AFFAIRS last night. Scorsese is remaking this with DiCaprio (signed on) and probably Matt Damon (not signed yet). The movie was confusing as hell. I didn’t think it was all that great. I think Scorsese can definitely improve it with a remake.



Scorsese is one of my favorite directors. My thoughts on his films:



Taxi Driver (1976)

The story of Travis Bickle, a lonely New York cab driver who’s fed up with the disgust and filth of the streets. The art of filming can be studied with this film. Scorsese visual mastering at it’s best. Notice how the ending is not as crisp as the rest of the film… Scorsese did this in order to tone down the violence.



Raging Bull (1980)

Visually stunning depiction of the rise and downfall of Middleweight Champion Jake La Motta. Robert De Niro gained over 50 lbs. to play the old Jake here. Teamed up with screenwriter from Taxi Driver again, Paul Schrader. The most artistic boxing film ever made. The poetic ramblings of an ex-champion in the beginning set up the poetic nature of the fights in the ring Scorsese creates.



Goodfellas (1990)

True story of mob rat Henry Hill. Follows him through three decades of crime. Most telling depiction of the mafia since The Godfather I & II. Great use of music and narration, at one point having Karen, Henry’s wife, narrate.



Mean Streets (1973)

I always turn up the volume to the opening, set to The Ronettes “Be My Baby.” A home movie projected on a black screen sets up the setting of Little Italy, and introduces the characters, Charlie, Johnny Boy, and Michael, in what seems to be a happier time than when we meet them. The bar scene is most noteworthy in this tale about small town mobsters, friendship, and religion.



The Last Temptation of Christ (1988)

Taking a chance not only on style this time, but now on story, this film is what being a director is all about. Still banned from certain countries, Scorsese teamed with writer Paul Schrader again to tell the story of Jesus Christ, to make Him a character, and not just a one dimensional delusion. Was Jesus tempted by the simpler life? Watch Willem Dafoe’s stunning performance as our lord and savior to find out. Look out for David Bowie also.



The King of Comedy (1983)

Scorsese’s dark comedy follows Rupert Pupkin, a wannabe comedian who’s obsessed with getting a spot on the Johnny Carson-like talk show hosted by Jerry Langford (Jerry Lewis). Another character film explores what celebrities must put up with from their die-hard fans. Sandra Bernhard hands in a chilling performance as Marsha, turning out to be a bit sicker than Rupert. What’s great about this one is how Pupkin perceives himself to be so normal, yet we can see how much of a, and Jerry puts it best, moron he is.



New York Stories: “Life Lessons” (1989)

What better way to show your artistic filmmaking then to tell a story about an artist, a painter. Nick Nolte plays Lionel Dobie, a painter who teaches, or is taught, life lessons by his female apprentices. Filled with great shots and the repitive use of the song Whiter Shade of Pale, the first segment of New York Stories stands out as the best of the three New York Stories. Cameo by Steve Buscemi.



Kundun (1997)

Beautifully filmed, Kundun tells the story of the Dali Lama and his influence on a nation. Scorsese’s fascination with religion is seen here again.



Cape Fear (1991)

With Scorsese’s love of film, it was just a matter of time before he ventured into a remake. This remake of the 1962 film starring Gregory Peck and Robert Mitchum visually out styles the original with it’s fancy camera work. Robert De Niro pulls off a much more chilling Max Cady than Mitchum, adding to the suspense of the film.



The Color of Money (1986)

Before his remake, Scorsese continues the story of Fast Eddie Felson from The Hustler. Not exactly a sequel, but more like another chapter in Felson’s life. Paul Newman resumes his role as the aging pool player/hustler who takes Vincent (Tom Cruise) on the road and teaches him the ropes. Whereas The Hustler has a better, more tragic story, this one is like an homage to pool playing and more technically directed.



Casino (1995)

A nice follow up to Goodfellas, this Las Vegas mob movie set in the 70’s follows the rise and fall of Casino manager Sam “Ace” Rothstein. Joe Pesci plays almost the same character as he did in Goodfellas, every other word being the f-word again. It explores themes of trust, fidelity, and power. Sharon Stone’s performance deserves praise, as well as the cinematography. With minor characters played by James Woods, Don Rickles, Kevin Pollak, and John Bloom (aka Joe Bob Briggs).



Bringing Out the Dead (1999)

The camera techniques; the fast motion drug sequences, the ghosts rising from the streets, the streams of light from the ambulances; are what makes Bringing Out the Dead a visual experience, while lacking the usual substance of story. In his first Scorsese film, Nicolas Cage hands in a noteworthy performance. Recommended for true Scorsese fans.



The Gangs of New York (2002)

“While the sets and costumes are quite magnificent and detailed . . . the story and characters are not fully developed. . . . Though the most developed and one of the most evil and demented characters to hit the screen since Robert De Niro’s Max Cady is William “Bill the Butcher� Cutting. . . . History gets in the way of what could have been Scorsese’s best film.�



After Hours (1985)



Alice Doesn’t Live Here Anymore (1974)



Who’s That Knockin’ At My Door? (1968)



The Age of Innocence (1993)



New York, New York (1977)



Boxcar Bertha (1972)

After the opening of the film, I said to myself this looks and feels like a Roger Corman flick. The opening credits rolled and what do you know, he produced it. What an awful, awful, awful film! Not even worth the watch to see the young De Niro. Also stars Barbara Hershey and David Carradine.

Scorsese’s Upcoming Projects



The Aviator (2004)

Leonardo DiCaprio will star as Howard Hughes. Michael Mann will produce.



Dino (TBA)

Before Gangs of New York came out, us.imdb.com showed Dino as Scorsese’s next film. Now there is no news on this project. Was it cancelled?



Based on the life and times of screen legend and singer Dean Martin. The film is titled Dino because of his real name, Dino Crocetti. Starring Tom Hanks as Dino, and written by Paul Schrader (Taxi Driver, Raging Bull, The Last Temptation of Christ) and Nicholas Pileggi (Goodfellas, Casino).

Fidelio,

I just moved your last two post from the Cape Feat topic to the Scorsese one.

Please be kind and accept the rules of this board. In the general movie board, we talk in a topic about this one movie. You posted stuff about many different movies in the one for Cape Fear.

To save your posts (cuz I don´t wanna delete them) I have to split this topic and finaly merge it with director topic. This means work for me. If you wanna talk about a director in general, just use the director child board.

We have this rules, cuz this board has many, many informations and we have have learnd how important it is to put the information together in some topics.



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