I’ve seen all Qt’s movies with the order they were made. firstly dogs, then romance, then pulp, and i was expecting from Quentin, a cool dialogue, as the madonna’s virginity in dogs, the elvis fuckin’ in romance and the rastaurant’s heist in pulp. When i saw Jackie Brown (for 1st time) i was dissapointed cos i was expecting a cool dialogue scene for the beginning. Lets say the dialogue between de niro, jackson and fonda, after the intro would be perfect for this occasion. Why QT din’t put it for the intro? I think it would be trademark for him a cool dialogue scene before the starting credits of 1 of his movies. Anyway QT has millions of personal trademarks, but this 1 was propably my favorite from him. But well… what ta fuck QT does whatever he wants, and always’s making masterpieces like Jackie Brown!
I thought that the reason QT didnt begin the film like his previous films was because it was an Elmore Leonard adaptation. It wasnt QT’s own original story like Dogs, Pulp, True Romance, FDTD. Jackie B is the only one that doesnt begin with the trademark “middle of the movie” type opening.
That being said, I think Jackie Brown may be his best work as a writer director. Its just perfectly laid out and executed. You’d swear a longtime veteran filmmaker directed it, not someone who was making his 3rd film. Its simply beautiful stuff.
it surely is his most mature film. Masterpiece!
[quote]I thought that the reason QT didnt begin the film like his previous films was because it was an Elmore Leonard adaptation.[/quote]
yeah you’re probably right, Toothpic. isn’t that also why he doesn’t have a role in it? like since he had a good actor/actress for each role he couldn’t change anything big or add any characters because it’s based on the novel? that’s what i heard. is that true?
He could’ve done a beginning dialogue scene though. I’m sure Leonard didn’t give a shit what QT did with the movie. The real reason QT had that specific intro is because QT is a fucking movie nerd and he just loves Pam Grier. He wanted to give her a “super-cool” intro because he loves her work and shit and it was like his own little tribute.
Oh wait, what am I thinking? He could’ve easily done a dialogue scene. He couldv’e done the scene, then afterwards, cut to the music and titles and shit where Pam is going down the airport escalator. Ugh, We Tarantino buffs are picky, aren’t we? :-/
you said it. he could’ve done that scene for a million different reasons. maybe he wanted something new with Jackie B., or maybe he felt that Foxy Brown (Pam Greir- ) deserved a different intro. i dont know. theres a million fuckin’ ways this could go.
Jackie Brown is very remenicent of the old “blaxploitation” films like Coffy, and Foxy Brown. And I think QT wanted to re-create that with the intro to Jackie Brown. It’s actually my favorite intro to any of his films.
I love how the movie just goes, “blam!” with 110th Street playing simultaneously with the Miramax logo. “Blam!” “Boom!” Your in the movie, no time wasted! Most movies start in silence, they play the company logos, then some boring opening credits but with JB it just blows up right in front of you. I always crank it up on DTS in the beginning, just because I love how the song shoots right through me.
It’s a badarse intro if ya ask me!
Well, now that you expect that kind of opening, he has to mix it up, doesn’t he? He said in a bunch of interviews that he didn’t want his “voice” to get stale, that’s why he adapted rum punch, maybe he doesn’t want his “style” to get stale, either.
He also has stated that he doesn’t do the time switch stuff to be a “clever boy”, but only when that is the best way to show the story. Maybe the best way to show Jackie’s story was to start with her.
Does Kill Bill open with a bunch of dialogue? I don’t remember from the script or the preview reviews.
Does Kill Bill open with a bunch of dialogue? Ã‚Â I don’t remember from the script or the preview reviews.[/quote]
Yeah it does have dialogue at the beginning. Its not like Jackie Browns opening.
I think the reason QT didnt open Jackie Brown like the other films was because its an Elmore Leonard adaptation.
I guarantee QT will never start any of his original films without some dialogue at the beginning. They wont just start like Jackie B did.
I’m glad he did that intro though. He was trying to perfect the blaxploitation/Pam Grier intro, and he did an awesome job. At first we don’t know who she is, but then we start to realize it’s an airport, and then we see her welcome people onto the plane. I think he didn’t put dialogue in the beginning because we learn about the character without it and it doesn’t really serve a purpose.
Fuck all that. I think it would’ve been so neat if Jackie Brown opened with a dialogue scene, example, Beaumont gettin busted with a gun by the cops or something. At least opening with a Beaumont scene. And the cop that busted him was Christopher Walken or Harvey Keitel. Tell me that wouldn’t be fucking tight. I dare you!
That wouldn’t be fuckin’ tight. It’s not part of the book. Also, he wanted to stay true to blaxploitation movies, not his style. He even said that he made Jackie Brown because he felt his style would get old.
Okay, Mr. Jackie Brown Saint. Just forget about the damn rules for a second. Yes I know, it isn’t in the book, and yes I know about all the blaxploitation style crap, but I’m sayin’ I would like for them to have a funny dialogue scene with Beaumont in the beginning. Just because. Screw tradition and rules. If all movies went by the book, and played it by the rules, there would be no good movies. Movies would be boring.
I didn’t say there were any rules. Jesus Christ, it’s called and opinion. In my OPINION this movie was better without it. In your OPINION it would be better with it. That’s great. You’re not wrong, and neither am i. I do agree with you on many of the things you just said though. For one, many movies are a lot better when they don’t exactly follow the book. In fact, i believe the majority are, because books aren’t movies. Jackie Brown is great because he changed a lot of stuff and made it his own. All i was saying is that in my opinion it was better this way. I didn’t mean to be knocking down your opinion by saying it wouldn’t be fuckin’ tight, i just decided to accept your dare.
Well, BadMotherfucker, you are a stupid moron…nah, just playin. It’s cool, I didn’t say your opinion didn’t matter, it’s just you said it like it was fact, and that it was QT’s opinion also. Maybe you are right, QT wanted to respect the style, so he emitted a dialogue opening. But I just think it wouldn’t be a big deal, and it wouldn’t be bad at all if he had an opening. It
would be fucking tight, mind you.
That would be a tight assed opening, Beaumont getting busted by some cops! Hell ya!
And how the hell is Jackie Brown an exploitation movie? for starters Jackie doesn’t SHOOT ONE PERSON!!!
[quote]Well, BadMotherfucker, you are a stupid moron…nah, just playin. It’s cool, I didn’t say your opinion didn’t matter, it’s just you said it like it was fact, and that it was QT’s opinion also. Maybe you are right, QT wanted to respect the style, so he emitted a dialogue opening. But I just think it wouldn’t be a big deal, and it wouldn’t be bad at all if he had an opening. It would be fucking tight, mind you. Ã‚Â [/quote]
Good end to a good discussion. ;D
[quote]That would be a tight assed opening, Beaumont getting busted by some cops! Hell ya!
And how the hell is Jackie Brown an exploitation movie? for starters Jackie doesn’t SHOOT ONE PERSON!!![/quote]
Ok, so it’s not a typical exploitation movie, but it has the same style. oh yeah, and have you seen the movie? What do you think happens in the end of the movie, she shoots a blank and Ordell has a heart attack?
Jackie Brown isnt an exploitation film, its a crime-drama-comedy. Its just influenced by the Pam Grier blaxploitation films.
Kill Bill is an actual exploitation film. Exploitation means its Outrageous, Over the top, unreal.
Yeah. It only borrows some elements from blaxploitation movies like some of the scores from older films and minor things like the funky looking font used for the title screen.
Not to mention Pam Grier.
Thematically, it sort of fits in with blaxploitation in so much as it is a story of a Black woman who sort of got a raw deal in life and has to take back her life through extra-legal means. This is often the plot of or the undercurrent of a lot of Blaxploitation flicks.