I understand that, Putney, and I have no qualms with that. (I will say I am surprised though, because they're all heavily steeped in influence from the exploitation films from the 70s, i.e., the grindhouse films, and that's your genre of high regard.) I'm just gettin' into a rant, I guess, because I'm sick of that label. You didn't create that label, it's not your fault. But it is part of the culture now and that in itself infuriates me. Before that moniker I'd hear people bashing Hostel (the first one) because it was like a porno, but more so pertaining to the first half of the film, the Amsterdam part and the sex scene with the girls in the hostel. And that always confused me. My generation, back in the 80s, if you were to tell any of us there was a movie with sex and nudity, we were right there with bated breath ready to watch it. I'm talking about all the horror movies and the teen sex comedies. Today it's just so different. I hear guys close to twenty arguing why they should watch Hostel, it's just like watching a porno. Well, what the fuck's wrong with a porno? Shouldn't they be watching pornos at that age? And, having said that, how is Hostel like a porno? Where's the cum shot? Where's the penetration? I just don't get these people. And then when I voice this, they say, "Oh, well, I guess you're right."
What gets me is when people are singling out the Saw films and the Hostel films, I wonder why no one ever seems to bring up the films that involved torture before them. I don't necessarily mean just movie fans, I mean the media especially. They're not the first films to involve torture scenes. I just saw Red Dragon again after a long while, and you have that scene where Phillip Seymour Hoffman is stuck naked to a chair with some kind of liquid polymer or glue. Nobody singled that scene out back then, and that wasn't too fuckin' long ago. I watched that and it disturbed me no less than any scene in a Hostel movie or a Saw movie. And then what happens? He's burned alive and rolled into a parking garage, just like in Manhunter before it. Having said that I doubt this is nothing any different than the films in the 70s got. Last House on the Left, Texas Chain Massacre, Friday the 13th, Mark of the Devil, Zombie.
They're all in very good company, if you ask me.
Putney: That's cool that you kinda like Cabin Fever. It's actually in vogue right now to bash that flick. I'm in total geek love with Cabin Fever, and I'll stand up for it till the day I die. I love Hostel for its ode to Japanese horror films and gothic horror films and sexploitation films, and I love Hostel: Part II for its ode to the Italian horror film. I think its interesting as hell that right now, the only country that's releasing films heavily steeped in the Italian style of horror films today is the United States. High Tension is the exception, unless you wanna call (at least the first) Saw an Australian horror film in the giallo style because James Wan and Leigh Whannel are Australian. The films were produced here though.