I like Fulci and I love Romero, all I’m saying is you can’t compare something like Zombie 2 to a movie like Terminator or something. I like Grindhouse movies but they are kind of trashy compared to other films. And I do like Fulci movies like The Beyond and all of that. And Romero is really my favorite director next to QT. Even QT laughs at SOME of these films because they are just outrageous.
QT also tells his Fest audiences to laugh WITH the movies, not AT them. He doesnt like when people look down their noses at films just because theyre not the A list studio movies. Of course some of them can be really bad and silly etc and thats understandable, but thats whats great about alot of them, they will mix drama with totally outrageous situations. I just take each movie for what it is. I cant say honestly every Grindhouse film is terrible. Because Ive seen alot of them that I really have enjoyed. Ive also seen many I didnt like. But thats the same for me with alot of big budget A pictures too. Thats all Im saying.
“Beauty is in the eye of the beholder”
You’re talking to a guy that’s in love with zombie films. I know you’re not supposed to laugh at them, when I watch Dawn Of The Dead i’m laughing my ass off all the time, not because the film is absurd, but because the film is genuinely funny. Like when Blades (Savini) calls Peter “Chocolate man” or the outrageous pie fight in the end all of that is hilarious, and it’s better than Superbad and all those awful fucking “comedies”. I should have explained myself a bit in my previous post.
I mean you have a Romero sig banner!! His stuff isnt Citizen Kane, its all crazy monster movies that we love!
Which takes me back to the point. We might love Grindhouse movies but in general Dawn Of The Dead can’t be compared to Citizen Kane or Casablanca, but if you ask me Dawn Of The Dead is better than Citizen Kane, the most overrated movie ever!
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but i think Death Proof has one sequence that is actually terrifying and that’s the entire sequence from Pam getting into Mike’s car to the end of the crash, which is the darkest,creepiest thing Tarantino has ever directed IMO.
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I very much agree with you there. The first time I watched Death Proof, I was pretty engrossed up until the first crash scene but there were no great set pieces before that point. Then the Pam scene happened and it hit me. My heart was racing, and I was feeling a million different emotions at the same time. When thinking about the scene later on, I acknowledged that it was one of the greatest, most terrifying, most engrossing, entertaining piece of cinema I had ever seen in a Tarantino film. I mean he has a million different setpieces in his films and they all serve their purpose, and with this particular set piece, Tarantino just got it perfect once again. In terms of a cinematic set piece, it pretty much blows everything else from his previous films away.
Now I know Death Proof is in a league of it’s own. It just feels so much smaller than his other films. All the scenes aren’t as epic or as big as most of the scenes in his previous films. However, the big scenes are bigger than anything we’ve ever seen from him. In terms of spectacle, cinema and entertainment the first crash scene, the lap dance scene, the car chase and probably even the last scene are among his very best. Whereas the other scenes in the film aren’t nearly as grand as the lesser scenes in his previous films. So in essence, Death Proof is a very inconsistent film. The small scenes are VERY small, and the grand scenes are pretty fucking epic.
In terms of my favourite, Death Proof would probably be at the top of my QT list at the moment. In terms of greatness, it would have to come last. Just for the record, my QT film ratings in order -
Pulp Fiction - 10/10
Kill Bill - 10/10
Jackie Brown - 10/10
Reservoir Dogs - 10/10
Death Proof - 9.5/10
So there is a very minute difference, but due to the smaller scale and nature of DP, I don’t see it being greater than his other 4 films.
Bio: But do we want to only watch Citizen Kane and Casablanca? I dont! I like being able to watch every kind of movie out there. From silent films to Godzilla movies to French New Wave to Kung Fu films to Blaxploitation to Horror films etc. Im a movie lover, I dont have any prejudice against movies. Well, unless its some over CGI’d piece of crap. coughstarwarsprequelscough. haha.
And I don’t think he ever sought out to top his other films. Like when he made Jackie Brown he said he never wanted to top Pulp. And when he also made Kill Bill he said he wanted to blow our minds away. And he did just that, I became a QT fan through Kill Bill, I must have watched that film over 50 times I kid you not.
[quote]Bio: But do we want to only watch Citizen Kane and Casablanca? I dont! I like being able to watch every kind of movie out there. From silent films to Godzilla movies to French New Wave to Kung Fu films to Blaxploitation to Horror films etc. Im a movie lover, I dont have any prejudice against movies. Well, unless its some over CGI’d piece of crap. coughstarwarsprequelscough. haha.
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Those two films were just general examples that attributed to the point I wanted to establish. Grindhouse films aren’t recognized by anyone except film lovers. Citizen Kane is immortalized as if it were the greatest film ever made, it’s a good movie no doubt, but personally I’ll take Romero’s Dawn Of The Dead over Citizen Kane any ol day of the week.
Dont we know that if QT wanted to do another huge film that topped his others he could have? I think his idea from the very beginning of him and Rodriguez’s discussion of the throwback to the Grindhouse Double Features was to do a lower budgeted, smaller personal horror film. Also, theres really not many slasher films that are epics are there? Just put it in context.
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Those two films were just general examples that attributed to the point I wanted to establish. Grindhouse films aren’t recognized by anyone except film lovers. Citizen Kane is immortalized as if it were the greatest film ever made, it’s a good movie no doubt, but personally I’ll take Romero’s Dawn Of The Dead over Citizen Kane any ol day of the week.
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I love Kane. Its one of my most favorite films. But I can also have Night of the Living Dead or Superfly in my DVD player right next to it with no apologies. Ive always been that way with movies. I like having that variety. Its like foods. Who only wants to eat hamburgers and hot dogs? I want to eat all kinds of diff flavored foods.
Right so the genre that he chose kind of limited him, he’s QT for fuck sake, I don’t mean to sound like a gay little girl but QT can do any genre he puts his mind into. IB will be an epic film, even more epic than Kill Bill or any other movie. Death Proof was just a small film, which was great, I really loved it and all, but everyone knows he’s capable of doing something bigger and better.
[quote]I love Kane. Its one of my most favorite films. But I can also have Night of the Living Dead or Superfly in my DVD player right next to it with no apologies. Ive always been that way with movies. I like having that variety. Its like foods. Who only wants to eat hamburgers and hot dogs? I want to eat all kinds of diff flavored foods. [/quote]
I know that! :
I love John Ford, I love Casablanca, Charlie Kaufman films, a whole slew of them. But again my point was, let’s say most critics wouldn’t acknowledge or praise a Grindhouse movie over a gem like The Shawshank Redemption, and i’m not dissing the movies I mention, just trying to make a point.
Yeah I agree on the Oscars not praising Grindhouse films. Probably the closest anyones got is Tarantino with his films. Because hes always mixed the grittier, pulpy Grindhouse aesthetic with the classiness of Arthouse cinema in his movies. The Coen Brothers sort of do a similar thing with their movies too.
But the Oscars shouldnt be looked at as the final stage of great movies. Theres tons of lesser known unawarded cult films that I love more than most of the Best picture Oscar films! That academy award stuff is bullshit alot of the time.
I’ll name a few: Brokeback Mountain, Forrest Gump, Capote, Sideways, Little Miss Sunshine. These are THE gayest films ever made and they get fucking Oscars. But I also don’t care too much for the Academy Awards, people are just open to so much gayness. I’ll never understand why.
Brokecrack Mountain was terrible. Gump was watchable. The others I didnt care for really.
Almost every “Oscar film” has a gay character, they push that shit on us so we accept them, I think that’s fucked up.
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Almost every “Oscar film” has a gay character, they push that shit on us so we accept them, I think that’s fucked up.
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Remind me of the gay characters in Schindler’s List, Million Dollar Baby, The Departed and No Country For Old Men.
I don’t remember any gay people in Forrest Gump.
I thought Forrest was pritty gay… at least thats what i thought Hanks was going for gay…
Id say something serious but Iffy pritty much said everything id say earlier ( reply 65 )… not only that but he wrote it more legibly then i would have…