I can’t think of any one here who completely dismisses someone elses opinion in such a situation.
The majority of the time when someone says “Kill Bill is shit” they DON’T have a well backed up argument which is obviously going to result in the members here tearing that person to bits. [/quote]
I loved Kill Bill. I’m hoping for a special edition DVD with trailers or clips for Thriller, Lady Snowblood and Babycart At The River Styx amongst others just as the Jackie Brown DVD included trailers for Pam Grier and Robert Foster movies. A nice little film-education there. Incidentally I heard of (but not seen her movies) Pam Grier before I ever saw Reservoir Dogs and it tickled me pink when the men started talking about her. But going back to Kill Bill, do I consider it a masterpiece? No. I love it but I consider Reservoir Dogs and Pulp Fiction to be his masterpieces. Saying that there are times when I find myself preferring Jackie Brown, mainly for what some might call ‘the hanging out scenes’. I am looking forward to Inglorious Bastards. Considering that the aesthetic structure of a war film is a combination of action (the battle scenes) and acting (the moments where the soldiers get to know each other and we get to know the soldiers) it would be interesting to see what Quentin Tarantino will make of it all.
But people saying “Kill Bill is shit”? Reminds me of the time when a young girl at my place of work went to see the first volume one evening. A friend asked her what did she think and her reply was, “It was bloody awful.” I’ve read some negative responses to Kill Bill where I can see where the person is coming from. One person writing to The Guardian (who gave a favourable review of Kill Bill 1) felt that the movie was Tarantino indulging himself on his DVD collection and that his is now a minor talent when compared to Paul Thomas Anderson, Christopher Nolan and (I think) Steven Soderbergh. The weakness of that argument is that Kill Bill is not supposed to be Magnolia, TrafficÃ‚Â or Memento, it has spin-off dolls for goodness sake, and in any case Christopher Nolan followed up his remake of ‘Insomnia’ with a Batman movie. Empire magazine gave Kill Bill 2 a four-star review when it has normally given Tarantino’s efforts five stars. The second volume was my favourite but I would agree with the Empire critic who wrote that any dialogue that begins with, “I’m a comic book fan.” should be discouraged. I cannot find the link but a group of filmmakers and critics were asked to put down what was the worst film that they saw. One of them selected Kill Bill.
As way of contrast the novelist Fred Raphael (and co-writer of ‘Eyes Wide Shut’) wrote in an article that it showed how cowardly the Oscars were for not nominating ‘Kill Bill Volume One’.
I digress. When people start getting abusive when they vent their opinions then of course they should be torn apart. If a person says, “I thought XXXXXX was terrible. I cannot explain why, but I have this gut feeling about it” we should give them the benefit of the doubt. Sometimes I cannot explain why I think something is good. I can say why Reservoir Dogs is good and it isn’t anything to do with (fanfare) GREAT DIALOGUE because, let’s face it, All About Eve has great dialogue and the chit-chat amongst the Dogs is nowhere as good as Bette Davis’s “fire and music” rant. Reservoir Dogs is good because, to use Tarantino’s description, it has a combination of piss and vinegar. It’s visceral and it stings.
Disagreeing with someone and totally dismissing their opinions is a different thing altogether.
Absolutely. You will get fans who love to discuss an artist’s work. I would liken it to being a fan of a rock and roll group. Say one was a Beatles fan and had all their albums including the anthology ones. By listening to their songs over and over again you would be able to work out what were their best songs, their worst songs, their overrated songs, their underrated songs and their hidden gems. You will also get fans who want to praise the artist no matter what they do. Look at the Michael Jackson fans outside the courtroom. I think Billie Jean is a fantastic song but that is frightening.
I do think he has made 4 masterpieces, but that’s not to say I think his films are perfect.
One might argue that nobody has made a perfect film.
If seb did post such a thread, I wouldn’t be throwing abuse at him, I’d wait till after I’ve watched it, to then go on to agree or disagree with him.[/quote]
Ditto. As I said in my last post, “Of course this forum has not fallen into being an uncritical fansite”. A movie forum is only as good as its contributors.