I can’t wait for this. It looks so cool.
The Kill Bill Diary: The Making Of A Tarantino Classic As Seen Through The Eyes Of A Screen Legend
by David Carradine
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Before I return this thread back to topic I must admit to actually liking fattybassam. I don’t know why, I just do. Maybe he is a troll, maybe he isn’t. Maybe he’s a Tarantino fan, maybe he isn’t.
Well supposing he is, that comment does have the whiff of the sarcastic but it also has the aroma of concern. A concern which I share about many fan-site forums. The concern that one day this forum will end up being an uncritical fansite and that any dissenters would be ‘shouted’ at with,“fuckyou you asshole Quentin is da bomb and you are just a fucking twat. fuck you! lol!!!call yourself a fan!fuck you!” You can love an artist’s work and yet talk about what works and what doesn’t. Sometimes it’s interesting to re-evalute an artist’s work. Imagine somebody writing a thread called, ‘From Dusk Till Dawn Is Better Than Pulp Fiction’. It will cause a lot of gasping and dropping of jaws around the world but if the first post was well argued then it would cause an interesting debate. One would have to justify why Pulp Fiction is better than From Dusk Till Dawn.
Of course this forum has not fallen into being an uncritical fansite, thank goodness, there have been a lot of interesting discussions. In any case admirers of Quentin Tarantino films don’t always agree. “Which do you prefer, Reservoir Dogs or Pulp Fiction?”, “Actually I prefer Jackie Brown.”, " Kill Bill Volume Two was the best one." and so on and so forth.
But let’s say (and I hope you don’t mind me dragging you into this Seb) that this scenario happens. Seb manages to see ‘Inglorious Bastards’ before any of us. I don’t know how but he just does. We all log on to his website to see what his opinion on the film is and the headline reads…
[be prepared now this is pure fantasy]
[size=180]INGLORIOUS BASTARDS IS QUENTIN’S WORST FILM YET![/size]
…and then he goes on to write a well argued essay about why he thinks this is so. Now he’d be brave to write this as there will suddenly come Seb’s way a huge volume of abuse. For every artist there is a lunatic fanatic that thinks everything that artist does is perfect and that they are unable to produce crap.
And now let’s return this thread back to the topic:
I’d like to read David Carradine’s account of the making of Kill Bill. It would be interesting to read what didn’t make the cut and get an insight into Tarantino’s working method.
I dont know :-</E>…on one hand it’d probably be an interesting book, but on the other…well ever since KB’s been made David Carradine keeps coming out with his theory’s on exactly why characters act they way they did, etc…dont get me wrong, there interesting concepts, but I cant help but always feel that he’s not a great authority for this stuff; I mean if QT backed him up and said ‘yeah thats why I did that’ or ‘yeah thats what was going on between those two characters’ id be happier…sometimes I just worry that he’s applying his own ideas to Qt’s story
well i think it’s interesting to read an actor’s experience of a movie, i just hope he talks with QT about it and that it doesnt go too far above what Carradine himself knows about kill Bill. after all, he’s just the actor, not the writer or the “inventor”
[quote=“Clinton Morgan”]
Before I return this thread back to topic I must admit to actually liking fattybassam. I don’t know why, I just do. Maybe he is a troll, maybe he isn’t. Maybe he’s a Tarantino fan, maybe he isn’t.
Well supposing he is, that comment does have the whiff of the sarcastic but it also has the aroma of concern. A concern which I share about many fan-site forums. The concern that one day this forum will end up being an uncritical fansite and that any dissenters would be ‘shouted’ at with,“fuckyou you asshole Quentin is da bomb and you are just a fucking twat. fuck you! lol!!!call yourself a fan!fuck you!” You can love an artist’s work and yet talk about what works and what doesn’t. Sometimes it’s interesting to re-evalute an artist’s work. Imagine somebody writing a thread called, ‘From Dusk Till Dawn Is Better Than Pulp Fiction’. It will cause a lot of gasping and dropping of jaws around the world but if the first post was well argued then it would cause an interesting debate. One would have to justify why Pulp Fiction is better than From Dusk Till Dawn.
Of course this forum has not fallen into being an uncritical fansite, thank goodness, there have been a lot of interesting discussions. In any case admirers of Quentin Tarantino films don’t always agree. “Which do you prefer, Reservoir Dogs or Pulp Fiction?”, “Actually I prefer Jackie Brown.”, " Kill Bill Volume Two was the best one." and so on and so forth.
But let’s say (and I hope you don’t mind me dragging you into this Seb) that this scenario happens. Seb manages to see ‘Inglorious Bastards’ before any of us. I don’t know how but he just does. We all log on to his website to see what his opinion on the film is and the headline reads…
[be prepared now this is pure fantasy]
[size=180]INGLORIOUS BASTARDS IS QUENTIN’S WORST FILM YET![/size]
…and then he goes on to write a well argued essay about why he thinks this is so. Now he’d be brave to write this as there will suddenly come Seb’s way a huge volume of abuse. For every artist there is a lunatic fanatic that thinks everything that artist does is perfect and that they are unable to produce crap.
And now let’s return this thread back to the topic:
I’d like to read David Carradine’s account of the making of Kill Bill. It would be interesting to read what didn’t make the cut and get an insight into Tarantino’s working method.
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I can’t think of any one here who completely dismisses someone elses opinion in such a situation. The majority of the time when someone says “Kill Bill is shit” they DON’T have a well backed up argument which is obviously going to result in the members here tearing that person to bits. Just look around this forum, you will find there have been many people in its history claiming one of QT’s films is a load of horses bollocks, when you find these you will also find that they do not present a reasonable, well backed argument of their opinion and are the majority of the time just here to ‘start some shit’ (see Matrixfans’s posts). However, there have been a few instances where someone has put forth a valid argument on such matters and I repsect those but that doesn’t mean I agree. Disagreeing with someone and totally dismissing their opinions is a different thing altogether.
It’s just that when someone makes a post on a forum dedicated to Quentin Tarantino saying “everyone in the forum, its all, Quentin, Quentin, Quentin.” you can’t help but feel sorry for how pathetic this person is. There was absolutely no need for such a post, and he has made some really terrible posts during his time here. If this was his only unnecessary post, I wouldn’t mind, but he has made wuite a few of them! If he at least presented some good ideas/arguments/opinions, people like me would respect him.
Just for the record, I am NOT a ‘Tarantino dick rider’. I do think he has made 4 masterpieces, but that’s not to say I think his films are perfect. When I need to, I criticise QT’s work appropriately and I don’t agree with everything he does. If seb did post such a thread, I wouldn’t be throwing abuse at him, I’d wait till after I’ve watched it, to then go on to agree or disagree with him. I don’t think I have ever non-jokingly, purposefully said “QT’s films are the shit and I don’t give a fuck what you think! Fuck you, you asshole Quentin is da bomb and you are just a fucking twat. Fuck you!!!11one”
[quote=“Jot”]
I dont know :-</E>…on one hand it’d probably be an interesting book, but on the other…well ever since KB’s been made David Carradine keeps coming out with his theory’s on exactly why characters act they way they did, etc…dont get me wrong, there interesting concepts, but I cant help but always feel that he’s not a great authority for this stuff; I mean if QT backed him up and said ‘yeah thats why I did that’ or ‘yeah thats what was going on between those two characters’ id be happier…sometimes I just worry that he’s applying his own ideas to Qt’s story
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David Carradine took on the role of Bill with all his heart. I’m 100% sure Carradine knows what he’s talking about. He probably sat with Quentin and discussed everything about thgis film in depth. I’ll trust what Carradine says. He said that Bill is Pretty Riki, I doubted it, I read the unofficial casebook (which is very good) and Quentin said that Bill was Pretty Riki. I’m banking that David Carradine knows what he’s talking about.
[quote=“Ify”]
I can’t think of any one here who completely dismisses someone elses opinion in such a situation.
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Thank goodness!
[quote=“Ify”]
The majority of the time when someone says “Kill Bill is shit” they DON’T have a well backed up argument which is obviously going to result in the members here tearing that person to bits. [/quote]
I loved Kill Bill. I’m hoping for a special edition DVD with trailers or clips for Thriller, Lady Snowblood and Babycart At The River Styx amongst others just as the Jackie Brown DVD included trailers for Pam Grier and Robert Foster movies. A nice little film-education there. Incidentally I heard of (but not seen her movies) Pam Grier before I ever saw Reservoir Dogs and it tickled me pink when the men started talking about her. But going back to Kill Bill, do I consider it a masterpiece? No. I love it but I consider Reservoir Dogs and Pulp Fiction to be his masterpieces. Saying that there are times when I find myself preferring Jackie Brown, mainly for what some might call ‘the hanging out scenes’. I am looking forward to Inglorious Bastards. Considering that the aesthetic structure of a war film is a combination of action (the battle scenes) and acting (the moments where the soldiers get to know each other and we get to know the soldiers) it would be interesting to see what Quentin Tarantino will make of it all.
But people saying “Kill Bill is shit”? Reminds me of the time when a young girl at my place of work went to see the first volume one evening. A friend asked her what did she think and her reply was, “It was bloody awful.” I’ve read some negative responses to Kill Bill where I can see where the person is coming from. One person writing to The Guardian (who gave a favourable review of Kill Bill 1) felt that the movie was Tarantino indulging himself on his DVD collection and that his is now a minor talent when compared to Paul Thomas Anderson, Christopher Nolan and (I think) Steven Soderbergh. The weakness of that argument is that Kill Bill is not supposed to be Magnolia, Traffic or Memento, it has spin-off dolls for goodness sake, and in any case Christopher Nolan followed up his remake of ‘Insomnia’ with a Batman movie. Empire magazine gave Kill Bill 2 a four-star review when it has normally given Tarantino’s efforts five stars. The second volume was my favourite but I would agree with the Empire critic who wrote that any dialogue that begins with, “I’m a comic book fan.” should be discouraged. I cannot find the link but a group of filmmakers and critics were asked to put down what was the worst film that they saw. One of them selected Kill Bill.
As way of contrast the novelist Fred Raphael (and co-writer of ‘Eyes Wide Shut’) wrote in an article that it showed how cowardly the Oscars were for not nominating ‘Kill Bill Volume One’.
I digress. When people start getting abusive when they vent their opinions then of course they should be torn apart. If a person says, “I thought XXXXXX was terrible. I cannot explain why, but I have this gut feeling about it” we should give them the benefit of the doubt. Sometimes I cannot explain why I think something is good. I can say why Reservoir Dogs is good and it isn’t anything to do with (fanfare) GREAT DIALOGUE because, let’s face it, All About Eve has great dialogue and the chit-chat amongst the Dogs is nowhere as good as Bette Davis’s “fire and music” rant. Reservoir Dogs is good because, to use Tarantino’s description, it has a combination of piss and vinegar. It’s visceral and it stings.
[quote=“Ify”]
Disagreeing with someone and totally dismissing their opinions is a different thing altogether.
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Absolutely. You will get fans who love to discuss an artist’s work. I would liken it to being a fan of a rock and roll group. Say one was a Beatles fan and had all their albums including the anthology ones. By listening to their songs over and over again you would be able to work out what were their best songs, their worst songs, their overrated songs, their underrated songs and their hidden gems. You will also get fans who want to praise the artist no matter what they do. Look at the Michael Jackson fans outside the courtroom. I think Billie Jean is a fantastic song but that is frightening.
[quote=“Ify”]
I do think he has made 4 masterpieces, but that’s not to say I think his films are perfect.
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One might argue that nobody has made a perfect film.
[quote=“Ify”]
If seb did post such a thread, I wouldn’t be throwing abuse at him, I’d wait till after I’ve watched it, to then go on to agree or disagree with him.[/quote]
Ditto. As I said in my last post, “Of course this forum has not fallen into being an uncritical fansite”. A movie forum is only as good as its contributors.
I can’t want for this to come out either. IT IS AN ACTOR"S PERPECTIVE! And David Carradine is also an independent film maker. His movie “Americana” was actually QUITE GOOD, but it didn’t get the coverage that other films did because it had not been opened in very many theaters when it came out. If you want you can preorder this item and show support for David Carradine, you could order it from my site,
http://www.joaquinfamily.net/dc/index.htm
Because my site is specifically for David Carradine Items. Or you could order it from here, your choice.
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AJCrane
It’s coming out tomorrow!!
Is it really ? Because there’s no date annonced on amazon … :-</E>
[quote=“cyber-lili”]
Is it really ? Because there’s no date annonced on amazon … :-</E>
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from amazon.com:
Product Details
Paperback: 320 pages
Publisher: Perennial (September 1, 2005)
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thisis the release date aint it? :-</E>
Allright, haven’t see it, because I was looking for on my national Amazon website… Sorry…
You really think he’ll tell more than everybody already knows? It’s going to be “I enjoyed working with Quentin, in my opinion he’s a very great director” style, I guess.
that’s right… But if it is published, he has to say more ! It is a diary, so it must have something interesting !
[quote=“Bleach”]
You really think he’ll tell more than everybody already knows? It’s going to be “I enjoyed working with Quentin, in my opinion he’s a very great director” style, I guess.
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I dont think its gonna be 320 pages of him saying that. Its a book, not a quick interview for a Making Of.
And them slackasses didnt release it yet. Seems like Amazon has given us a false release date (again). Damn. I want to read that
[quote=“Crazy_Hattori”]
I dont think its gonna be 320 pages of him saying that. Its a book, not a quick interview for a Making Of.
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exactly, stop with the negativity allready, he IS going to tell us more than we know, why? drumroll! prrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr he was when the thing was made! im buying it, most definitly
[quote=“Johny_Exhale”]
exactly, stop with the negativity allready, he IS going to tell us more than we know, why? drumroll! prrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr he was when the thing was made! im buying it, most definitly
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Me too 
Okay all right then you can tell me afterwards, but seriously main facts have been told.
would you like to share them with us? this is the entire making off in book-form, no ‘behind the scene’s’ shit you see on a dvd with quentin yelling Action! and little bits of interviews mixed with it, this is dave spilling the beans, telling us stuff we dont know, what he saw, went through and felt while making Kill Bill, his diary, how michael parks took a shit and stank up the entire set etc.
All right still Kill Bill is like the only film with David I’ve seen, and half of the stuff he’ll compare things with I won’t understand. And yeah, it’s a commercial diary, not one you put in your drawer and lock with a key, so get it, read it and spread the word if it’s worth it.