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Casino or Goodfellas?

I have to agree with you on the ending of Goodfellas…it was kinda quick and almost seemed like it was just glued on to the rest of it…



I see Bobby De Niro in Casino as a clown. He couldve had it all, but didnt take it. He starts out respectable and gets all flashy and arrogant at the end. He thinks his luck doesnt run out. His luck never running out is what causes him to fail. He is a rational, calculating being, who needs the emotional Pesci beside him. As he grows he has to lean on this weak emotional side more: being charming, hosting a tv show, he makes a clown and weak person of himself.



The scene with Ginger coming back to the house, screaming, drugged up, IS brilliant! The whole build up of her character and her using Ace his weak side is awesome! It just irritates me that they didnt take out Lester. Again, pantsy De Niro. Just send in Nicky, bullet in the head and DONE. No he lets it draggggggggggggggggggggggg…



Although I feel that irritation and that is very well directing and acting. On that note, you could say: aha! So it worked! You got irritated!

I dont think a viewer should be irritated, without getting satisfaction out of it very close after the irritation.

Ginger is irritating, she likes Lester? Dont let him be an unstoppable pain in the ass, but DEAL with it. I sat through that movie irritated!



I couldve seen a bunny jumping up and down on- screen for 2 hours. I would get irritated, so that works…BUT!! It isnt good on an entertainment level. Its like a disruption in the balance. Undealt business which lets me wonder…

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  1. DeNiro’s character is more developed and interesting than the one in Goodfellas.
  2. The main woman in Casino actually plays an important role and is not just a passive bystander.
  3. Casino’s filming locations are more beautiful to look at.
  4. Casino has James Woods.
  5. Casino has a better ending.
  6. Nothing can beat Pesci saying “I got your head in a fucking vise!”
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7.Casino has Joe Bob Briggs (My favorite cult-film guru) and L.Q. Jones (A Peckinpah regular) :smiley:

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I have to agree with you on the ending of Goodfellas…it was kinda quick and almost seemed like it was just glued on to the rest of it…



I see Bobby De Niro in Casino as a clown. He couldve had it all, but didnt take it. He starts out respectable and gets all flashy and arrogant at the end. He thinks his luck doesnt run out. His luck never running out is what causes him to fail. He is a rational, calculating being, who needs the emotional Pesci beside him. As he grows he has to lean on this weak emotional side more: being charming, hosting a tv show, he makes a clown and weak person of himself.



The scene with Ginger coming back to the house, screaming, drugged up, IS brilliant! The whole build up of her character and her using Ace his weak side is awesome! It just irritates me that they didnt take out Lester. Again, pantsy De Niro. Just send in Nicky, bullet in the head and DONE. No he lets it draggggggggggggggggggggggg…



Although I feel that irritation and that is very well directing and acting. On that note, you could say: aha! So it worked! You got irritated!

I dont think a viewer should be irritated, without getting satisfaction out of it very close after the irritation.

Ginger is irritating, she likes Lester? Dont let him be an unstoppable pain in the ass, but DEAL with it. I sat through that movie irritated!



I couldve seen a bunny jumping up and down on- screen for 2 hours. I would get irritated, so that works…BUT!! It isnt good on an entertainment level. Its like a disruption in the balance. Undealt business which lets me wonder…
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Different people experience different reactions to characters in films, and it’s cool to read how other people percieve movie characters in a different light. I don’t think Ace would have solved the solution had he killed Lester. Don’t forget Ginger was banging Nicky Santoro too! Ace nailes it perfectly when he tells Ginger something like “Once a slut, always a slut”. He knew that Ginger wasn’t gonna be faithful, Lester or no Lester. He was blinded by love the guy, I can feel his pain.

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7.Casino has Joe Bob Briggs (My favorite cult-film guru) and L.Q. Jones (A Peckinpah regular) :smiley:
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Who did L.Q. Jones play in the film?

He played Joe Bob’s Father-In-Law. The old local cowboy that tries to push Ace outta town.

I like casino,but Goodfellas Is so better to me.

BTW, listen to this interview to hear how jazzed the crew got when L.Q. Jones arrived:

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I think he talks about it around the 14-minute mark, but just listen to the whole interview if you’ve got the time. Good stuff.

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Different people experience different reactions to characters in films, and it’s cool to read how other people percieve movie characters in a different light. I don’t think Ace would have solved the solution had he killed Lester. Don’t forget Ginger was banging Nicky Santoro too! Ace nailes it perfectly when he tells Ginger something like “Once a slut, always a slut”. He knew that Ginger wasn’t gonna be faithful, Lester or no Lester. He was blinded by love the guy, I can feel his pain.

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Yeah, everyone has his own field of references and experiences towards characters. Its certainly cool to see how others think, so I can see stuff with a more broader view :slight_smile:



I dont think he would’ve solved the problem dealing with Lester, but its kind of a weakness that he doesnt. Nicky bangs Ginger too, but only after he isnt Ace his definite sidekick anymore.



So Ace kind of tolerates lester. Kind of interesting…Why would he tolerate him? He could easily dispose of him, without Ginger knowing.



Blinded by love. Indeed. I think Ginger is just another emotional factor in his rationalized world. Every attempt he makes in the direction of emotions he is confronted with his own shortcomings and the lack of control he can get over them.



I am thinking about setting up some links with Greek rationalist philosophers and Greek Tragedies, but I am digging a bit too much into it I think ;D

did anyone love joe pesci’s jokes in goodfellas or his little sayings? like wheb he says lets get that coffee to go and Frank Sivero’s character walks out with the pot? i thought they were hilarious!

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Also, as much as I love Goodfellas, I’m not the biggest fan of that last scene when Henry is in the court and addresses directly the viewer while he talks about his life. That was a little bit of a hokey scene I felt, and quite anti-climatic too. And to this day I still can’t understand why Marty chose the Sex Pistols for the closing credits. I didn’t think they fit with the overall tone of the film.
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I love the Sex Pistols at the end! And it’s an overall good ending too in my eyes. But I’ve never really liked the 70’s part of the movie, that’s when the movie begins to lose interest, at least for me. It’s still a great movie and yes, a little better than Casino.

Note: I think the end of GoodFellas is just Sid Vicious singing “My Way” by Frank Sinatra, its not the Pistols as a group. If you watch The Great Rock N Roll Swindle (or Sid and Nancy) you see Sid performing it by himself. I love that choice by the way. Marty has incredible taste in pop music!









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did anyone love joe pesci’s jokes in goodfellas or his little sayings? like wheb he says lets get that coffee to go and Frank Sivero’s character walks out with the pot? i thought they were hilarious!
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What are you looking at?

Make that coffee to go. Let’s go.



What the fuck you doing? It’s a joke.

A joke. Put the fucking pot down.



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yeh thats the one! i loved that i thought it was so funny! as well as the scene where they are talking about the painting is funny as well.

Goodfellas. When Ray Liotta pistol whips his girfriend’s neighbor - man, what a great thing that was. It showed how even the wives were guilty of something in some form or fashion - I mean, she knew what he was, what he did - and she liked it. Great stuff.

There are just more memorable scenes to me in Goodfellas than there are in Casino, and I hope nobody has misinterpreted my feeling on Casino, because I fucking love that movie, it is just not as good in my eyes as Goodfellas…Best of all time is when Ray Liotta tells Joe Pesci that he is a funny guy, and joe just goes overboard trying to scare Ray, that is a classic and memorable scene

This is one of those questions where you can pick either answer and be right. It all comes down to subjective perception and personal preference.

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This is one of those questions where you can pick either answer and be right. It all comes down to subjective perception and personal preference.
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Ahah all in a nutshell ! Well, everybody is defending his own judgement, his own preference. But nobody will have the right answer cause it’s all about two great movies, directed by the same master, then it’s not so easy, and nobody got the one and the only answer.



But it’s still pleasant to read everyone’s point of view. :wink:

So, which one you prefer lili? :slight_smile:

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So, which one you prefer lili? :slight_smile:
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Ahah do you really wanna know ? Cause I’ll make me enemies here (since as I can see, everyone wants to have the best choice !) :stuck_out_tongue:

As I said, you’d always be right regardless of what you choose.



















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I’ll answer right now. I prefer Goodfellas I think for several reasons :


  1. I saw it first, which I think counts a lot since as everybody has already said it, both movies are quite similar in some points.


  2. I think both are so well directed, maybe even Casino is more than Goodfellas. Scorsese became better and better for filming shots. So technically it’s almost perfect ! And so is Goodfellas. BUT somehow, and I got this feeling in a lot of recent Scorsese movies, the movie looks more like a a demonstration of style : as if Scorsese wanted to prove himself each movie, he can still shoot, he’s still a technical virtuoso. And as Casino came second, were released later, Goodfellas brought the rules, the guiding principles.



    Let’s me explain you how I see things :



    Somehow Scorsese gangsta movies are all a bit similar. And especially Goofellas and Casino. And I see this as a cycle, a symphony. So a symphony is based on a main theme (here we are : Goodfellas brought the rules, the guiding principles), and some variations with the same theme but with some nuances (so is Casino for me). And in all good composition, you got a different part (but still based on the same concept), which is called a “bridge”. People who knows a bit about music will understand what I’m talking about (to explain quickly, in a cliché rock tune, you’ve always had a sad part, well that’s it). And for me the “bridge” is Mean Streets, cause it has more it own life, it’s more an independant unit, but somehow it’s always connected to the same concept (but which is some distant parts, cause it has been released earlier, and Scorsese only outlined what he has more developped later).



    So to sum up, I love both movies, but it may sounds a bit cliché, I prefer pioneers. Don’t get me wrong, I can sometimes prefer the variations if they got more subtilities, but here I would rate :

    Goodfellas ****

    Casino ***



    Was it enough clear ?