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Butch Coolidge inluences


#1

WHat noir boxing films influneced the Gold Watch segment. There is one in particular, which aludes me at the present time. 1947-ish? Maybe John Garfield, maybe not…



A boxer is told to throw a fight, but doesn’t… has to flee…



I know there are many influences in the segment, but there is a film which follows that noir escription


#2

[quote]WHat noir boxing films influneced the Gold Watch segment. There is one in particular, which aludes me at the present time. 1947-ish? Maybe John Garfield, maybe not…



A boxer is told to throw a fight, but doesn’t… has to flee…



I know there are many influences in the segment, but there is a film which follows that noir escription[/quote]

On The Waterfront is one of them. The boxer Butch kills named Wilson is used in both that film AND Pulp Fiction as well. I’m sure theres a bunch moree, but I dont know any off hand.


#3

Yeah, thanks for the help. I know about Body & Soul and On the Waterfront, but I swear, on imdb, I read about a film late forties that has the same type of storyline that Butch has. It upsets me intensely that I can’t remember it.


#4

i thought that Coolidge vs Wilson thing was a political allusion.


#5

[quote]i thought that Coolidge vs Wilson thing was a political allusion.[/quote]

It was a reference to the political fight between Calvin Coolidge Vs Woodrow Wilson. But it was also the last name of the boxer Terry Malloy (Marlon Brando) fights in On The Waterfront (Directed By Elia Kazan 1954). Another film where the boxers supposed to throw the fight but doesnt, and ends up getting in trouble.


#6

I didnt liked Butch. He was too tough. So boring


#7

The Set-Up (1949) starring Robert Ryan is a similar plot set-up to THE GOLD WATCH, a fighter not fighting because of some gangsters n shit.



Champ Joe Palooka too deals with gangsters and boxing.



Raging Bull too.


#8

[quote]I didnt liked Butch. He was too tough. So boring[/quote]

Oh gee. That was insightful. Butch is NOT boring, he’s a fucking boxer for god sakes, his character is supposed to be more mellow like Rocky instead of comedic and colorful, like Carrot Top. Ok I admit, one or two scenes he’s in is a bit settled down, but that’s only because it’s straight dialogue and no action. I’m talking about the scene’s with Butch’s girlfriend.





btw, I think the Cab driver scene is awesome.


#9

Jake Lamotta from Raging Bull


#10

[quote]I didnt liked Butch. He was too tough. So boring[/quote]
Let’s make Butch a little more interesting then. What do you think of giving him a hidden character like The Grim Reaper for instance?

1)The watch is very important for Butch, according to Captain Koons it’s his birthright. Without his watch Butch is not the man he used to be, just like The Reaper hasn’t any clue when it’s time to take someones life that’s why he always carries an hourglass. Butch wasn’t aware he killed Floyd 'cause he wasn’t wearing his gold watch…

2)The Reaper wears a monks cape, Butch’s yellow outfit - minutes before his fight against Floyd - looks very simmilar, he doesn’t wear the hood over his head, but have a close look when Butch is walking out of the room: the hood is definitely there.

3)The Reaper usually uses a scythe. Of all the leathal weapons in the pawn shop Butch chooses the samurai sword. Compare the shape of that sword’s blade and a scythe. See what I mean?



Is Butch a little less boring now? you 're welcome :wink:


#11

i like butch … hate fabian


#12

Butch is a cool motherfucker, especially when he goes apeshit and smashes the T.V. set while throwing all kind of insults to Fabienne. Then all of a sudden he tries to regain control over himself and tells her it’s not her fault. It was real funny the first time I saw it. That scene and the Captain Koons scene are my favorite parts of the “Golden Watch” segment.


#13

I recently saw Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid again, and the scene where they are practising speaking Spanish for their trip to Bolivia (I think) where the women says something in English and Butch and the Kidd have to say the same thing in Spanish and where they repeat certaihn phrases the woman says in Spanish, reminds me of the scene where that similar thing happens with Butch and Fabienne(sp?), Coincidentally a ‘Butch’ is involved in both these films.