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So I guess Roger Ebert an all the other reviewers who loved the movie don’t know the difference between a magic trick and a piece of cinema?
No Country for old Men was just okay? Riiiiight.
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Oh, wow, ROGER EBERT? I better re-examine my opinions, my life, my existence! WHAT HAVE I DONEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE?!?!
[quote=“Col. Crazy Kenneth”]
Ebert an all the other reviewers who loved the movie
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yes I think you should re-evaluate your highly subjective opinion.
No Country was just okay. It had the ending down perfect. I just wish there had been more of that kind of thing going on. I liked that it was made in the similar vain as the independent American cinema of the 70s when it focused a lot on violence and Americana, thus reflecting Vietnam war and how it was being televised.
When you’ve seen films like Peckinpah’s glorious Bring Me The Head of Alfredo Garcia, Junior Bonner, and Pat Garrett and Billy the Kid this kind falls flat. I mean, if you think it’s better than those films, you haven’t watched them enough. Or John Flynn’s films like Rolling Thunder, which should get a Criterion dvd release, or The Outfit. Then there’s Two-Lane Blacktop, China 9 Liberty 37, Cockfighter and The Killing of a Chinese Bookie.
No Country felt like it was trying to grasp the spirit of these films and while in places it got it, in others it missed it. It’s also just something that’s deeper on page than on celluloid.
As for Juno, it’s overly quirky, overly hipster and people kept calling it a great “indie” for some reason. Independent cinema used to mean something but now it’s like who cares about it? Cassavetes used to be what independent cinema was about. Ignoring hollywood’s rules of structure and manipulation and trying to go a little deeper, a little bit past the surface to get your emotion. He didn’t depend on a certain type of music to cue in at right moments, the shot of a teary eye and a child somewhere in there. Instead he made people like Mr.Sophistication, a lowly strip club lounge singer in face paint and a bad tux, absolutely heartbreaking just by singing half-heartedly for a few bucks beside topless women. No one does indie right anymore.
Although Rachel Getting Married and Wendy and Lucy were fucking awesome. So maybe there is some indepedent bravura left somewhere in filmmakers minds these days.
I can understand that you’re pissed Juno got called an Indie film for the reasons you mentionned. But I don’t get why you care so much about all that fuss around the movie.
Even if you don’t think it’s not an indie film, can’t you like it for what it is? It’s still far better than a lot of the Hollywood crap we get every week. Especially when it comes to the writing: This movie surprised me in so many ways while I was expecting to watch my weekly regular american movie. A great surprise indeed, I even was moved at some points, it rarely occurs to me.
Sure it’s not a masterpiece, but nobody said it was. There are a few films like Juno these days, that aren’t pretentious or whatsoever, and that have to be taken just as what they are. And you seem to have missed that point: you try to give the film pretentions it doesn’t have. It’s like watching Spongebob Squarepants while expecting to see a Disney Picture: it’s just not quite the same.
The writing was bullshit too. Every bit of slang and shit like teenagers are pop-culture retards? Please. That script was trying to be. Don’t try to be. Be.
And it is hollywood crap.
Fuck that discussion, I like that movie and you’re not going to change my mind
And I’m obviously not going to be able to change yours
Let’s talk about ponies.
(I have a very bad childhood memory about an adult shouting at me in front of other children because of a pony. Seriously it was one of those moments where you feel so lost and powerless that you wish you could just reach puberty in 2 seconds and slap that bitch for treating you like an inferiour human being just because you’re 8 and never took care of a pony before.)
And I though we were slightly going off topic with all the Juno talk…Anyway, you gotta admitt the discussion was going nowhere
[quote=“Col. Crazy Kenneth”]
ha, you’re right. i just quickly scanned the list for death proof
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It was the first title I put down then decided Grindhouse. Death Proof wasn’t released theatrical, here anyway :’(
No Country For Old Men, not the best movie of the year. But if I had to choose a movie to replace There Will Be Blood as best picture, it’d be No Country. That movie was absolutley perfect. Not only perfect but it’s a great thing when a movie like that wins. In a lesser year Juno would have won the oscars. Wait, last year was that year coughSlumdog Millionairecough. Bullshit in a year full of bullshit.
I loved how you could tell who had really gotten the movie when it ended and they started chatting it up. There was like me and three other people in the theater who were like “THAT’S PERFECT!” and everyone else was wondering what the fuck happened.
^ Ha ha, when I went to see No Country For Old Men (opening day) I was the only person under 30 (I was 19 at the time), when the movie went off, I heard exactly the same response, someone yelled, “What the hell happened” at the end, it seemed I was the only one who liked it.
When I went to see There Will Be Blood though, everyone was silent at the end, so I don’t know how they felt. But that damn movie should of won that year for sure. It was just that the Coen Bros had the awards audience from the get go, like Slumdog did. Also Juno had the mainstream audience, like Slumdog. So in 2008, Slumdog had it won months before. IMO Slumdog was not top 3 best of 2008.
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(I have a very bad childhood memory about an adult shouting at me in front of other children because of a pony. Seriously it was one of those moments where you feel so lost and powerless that you wish you could just reach puberty in 2 seconds and slap that bitch for treating you like an inferiour human being just because you’re 8 and never took care of a pony before.)
And I though we were slightly going off topic with all the Juno talk…Anyway, you gotta admitt the discussion was going nowhere
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I know that feeling too well…
Slumdog was another cruel joke so were most of the nominees last year. The Wrestler was a good film, though, way better than Aronofsky’s ridiculously shitty past.
There Will Be Blood though was a representation of what all the other nominees and past winners were not and if it had won…boy, I tell you…
Let’s all just get liquored up and go to the Peachtree Dance.
Psst… F.W… That little button at the top right that says “modify”… Don’t worry, I get lazy and just post new posts instead of editing the one I just made too. Just letting you know it’s there, you know, incase you didn’t see it. 
Peachtree dance. lol. I like how he looked at him right then knowing something is up. Take em’ to the peachtree dance.
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Psst… F.W… That little button at the top right that says “modify”… Don’t worry, I get lazy and just post new posts instead of editing the one I just made too. Just letting you know it’s there, you know, incase you didn’t see it.
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I make JOKES for BEER money. I’m not going to any extra lengths…ever.
[quote=“GRINDHOUSE”]
^ Ha ha, when I went to see No Country For Old Men (opening day) I was the only person under 30 (I was 19 at the time), when the movie went off, I heard exactly the same response, someone yelled, “What the hell happened” at the end, it seemed I was the only one who liked it.
When I went to see There Will Be Blood though, everyone was silent at the end, so I don’t know how they felt. But that damn movie should of won that year for sure. It was just that the Coen Bros had the awards audience from the get go, like Slumdog did. Also Juno had the mainstream audience, like Slumdog. So in 2008, Slumdog had it won months before. IMO Slumdog was not top 3 best of 2008.
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It was the same way when I went to see the both of the too. I was the youngest by at least twenty years. But it was pretty cool when at the end of There Will Be Blood almost everyone clapped. We were laughing it up all the way out of the theater.
Slumdog Millionaire was the most shocking sweep of any award I’ve ever seen. I got the chance to see it before it started winning every award form hell to houston and was shocked when it started winning anything, much less the top prizes. The most over rated movie, ever. Maybe not ever but damn close.
NOTE: So used to your Che banner that when I saw Marion I got a little turned on. Nice.
Yeah, I didn’t want to rid myself of the CHE banner to express it’s awesomeness to everyone, but I went passed these Marion photos and just had to have em. lol.