So what’s life after all without a single bit of irony??? I was the one who thought that vol.2 would suck big time before I see the movie. But the movie was releases yesterday and didn’t miss the chance to see it of course!!! And I was simply astonished by it!!! What a spectacular movie vol.2 is!!! I loved it!! And here is my personal review:
The second part of the Bride’s (I prefer calling her the Bride 
) really surpassed my expectations. Even though I was expecting a dull film with boring songs by Ennio (Silhouette of doom is an exception of course!), I was pleasantly surprised by what I saw. I found the dialogue between the Bride and Bill in the wedding scene, awesome. It really showed quite a lot of Bill’s character and the trick here is that combined with the dialogue at the end of the movie we don’t see a rigid point of view, but Bill is what the viewer as an individual believes he is. The same applies to both Elle and Budd and of course Beatrix, while O-Ren and Vernita we could pretty much see clearly their characters without any kind of personal character interpretation.
That’s what I liked about character development. The dialogue was witty and not at least boring. Except the dialogue in “The lonely grave of Paula Schultz” chapter! I hated Budd, his boss in the club and of course that stupid Ernie! But I guess that they played their role very well for me to really believe that they are such big assholes.
What could I say about Pai Mei. He was BRILLIANT! Loved every single bit of him and his beard of course! He was really cruel, but also hilarious. I was so depressed that he died. I was shocked really!
Now Elle was clearly the kick ass bitch I’ve expected! Noone said that she is an honest warrior. I think it was made clear from vol.1 that she doesn’t care about honest battles, she just wants to get rid of her enemy. Daryl Hannah made a spectacular Elle and I loved her for killing Budd. For me that was the best death in the whole KILL BILL movie. Elle’s fight was incredibly funny. I couldn’t stop laughing (and I was the only one in the whole room who was doing that! ;D ;D ;D). I liked the fact that she doesn’t die! I loved Elle’s character and didn’t want her to die. Blind Elle is far more tormenting and awful and probably Black Mamba would bite her and she is as good as dead.
And of course Bill’s monologue. I never really thought of it! It was as good as Pulp Fiction’s foot massage dialogue between Travolta and Samuel. And Bill’s death was the film’s most emotional scene. Very touching.
The film deserves a clear 4/5. I would give it a 5/5 if it wasn’t for the boring “The lonely grave of paula schultz” chapter and that Karen Wong scene which didn’t stick with the movie at all. Oh and BTW, I prefered the fact that we don’t really see the wedding massacre. It was so chilling hearing the Bride’s screams and the music in the background added to the whole atmosphere! To sum up, vol.2 was an awesome ending in Tarantino’s kung fu masterpiece. If only I was able to watch the whole KILL BILL movie in Cannes… :-/
OK, first of all I love both volumes, but having now seen Vol.2 a few times with different groups of friends (with different movie tastes) I can see why Vol.2 disappointed most of the general movie going public. It’s not that Vol.2 is a bad movie (cuz it certainly isn’t), it’s just that it is so different in pacing and feel to Vol.1.
The main problem boils down to the ‘action’ (or lack of). Vol.1’s stunning series of face-offs created an expectation that Vol.2 would have to somehow carry on this crescendo of violence. The public going into Vol.2 don’t know quite what to expect, but what they are expecting is to see ‘something’ that would top the Showdown at House of Blue Leaves (at least in ‘wow factor’ if not in body count). Instead what they got was a more ‘typical’ dialogue driven Tarantino picture with much more emotional depth but very little in the way of action ‘spectacle’.
Now of course this problem was only really caused by splitting the movie into two, as it meant that the action ‘centerpiece’ (Showdown at House of Blue Leaves) could only be in one movie, leaving Vol.2 without a truly spectacular action sequence to ‘wow’ the audience.
Personally, I think Vol.2 could’ve won over both factions of it’s audience simply by ramping up the action that it did have, and expanding on some of the action already laid out in the original script. Here’s what I would’ve liked to have seen…
- Much as I liked the ‘Massacre at Two Pines’ opener, apart from introducing Bill, it didn’t really tell us anything we didn’t already know. A much more ‘explosive’ opening would have been ‘Yuki’s Revenge’ (machine guns, grenades, cars blowing up etc, it would’ve been great!).
- The ‘Budd at work’ scene was again nice but superflous, but the rest of ‘The Lonely Grave of Paula Schultz’ was great!
- The ‘Elle and I’ catfight was fantastic, but I’d love to have seen it spill out of Budd’s trailer at the end and have B and Elle circling each other with their Hanzo swords outside in the desert and have a bit of fancy swordplay before B plucks out Elle’s eye (which by the way, was a much better resolution to the fight than the original ending).
- Maybe it would’ve been nice to see B sneak into the grounds of Bill’s Villa, killing a few henchmen on the way (a bit silent ninja style).
- And finally, it would’ve been nice to see B and Bill do some fancy swordplay for a bit more before the end. Maybe even moving the action down to the moonlit beach, as Bill suggested, after their initial (excellent) seated fight.
"Not enough action. I was going in expecting more fantastic action and all I got was talking!"
This is what reviews are for. The advance reviews all said that the pace was slower but the dialogue and character development was a good payoff.
"Uma Thurman didn’t deserve to even be mentioned in the same breath as Academy Award."
This is what cyanide capsules are for. Take two.
"Elle deserved a better death! Eyeball plucking, boo!!! Tarantino ruined it for me!"
No, she didn’t. She wanted to kill Bea dishonorably (as previously mentioned), she poisoned Budd and Pai Mei, and she’s just generally an all-round bitch. A likable bitch, but a bitch nonetheless. Her demise was pathetic and humiliating, ergo it was perfect. And funny, in a sick, schadenfreudesque way.
Who says that vol.2 wasn’t violent enough? OK, it didn’t have anything like the massacre at the house of blue leaves, but B and Elle’s battle was much more exciting and funny than the HOBL one! As for Elle’s death, the snake will probably bite her. And even if it doesn’t, just imagine what could a blind person do in the middle of nowhere? That’s far more tormenting than just killing someone. Clearly what Elle deserved (I was also very happy not to see Elle dying! She’s my fav character in the movie next to B and Bill!). BTW, Yuki’s Revenge would be very tiring and wouldn’t fit with the general western atmosphere of the movie.
Well Done QT! You did a spectacular movie (which is far better than Pulp Fiction in my humble opinion!).
I saw this movie last night and i have to say i am completely shocked as to how far Quentin Tarantino has fallen. I missed the first kill bill installment mostly because my girlfriend pretty much told me the whole story in less than 2 mins. I am not one of those people who like intense artsy movies with drawn out stories and too much emotional bullshit (Sally field type stuff) but kill bill in one over done completely pointless movie. I have to say this is by far the worst movie i have seen all year long (i have only seen about 5 movies this year so i guess kill bill might not be the worst movie of the year, i just havent seen the rest of them) Goodness gracious the pointless baseless ceasless rumbling was the most painful experience i ever had to sit through (i broke my ankle at work and spent the whole day watching movies and this movie hurt way worse than my broken ankle) Goodness gracious i could have passed out from popping painkillers one after the other. Fortunately the theatre was not crowded and people were talking pretty much through out the movie walking in and out.
after about 90 minutes people just got up and started walking out.
I have to say i am totally dissapointed in most folks on this website. For crying out loud, some of you people even think that this movie will win an oscar, are you people serious? I understand being fiercely loyal to a movie director like Tarantino but most of you folks a bonafide lunatics even worse than star trek fanatics with no concept of reality. This movie is so bad i dont even see how any one could unabashedly claim its some piece of art. This was just some money making venture for Tarantino and Marimax studios which are wallowing in obscurity nowadays due to releasing over hyped trash like this and trying to sell it to the public as some form of art!!!
Its no wonder that the depth of discussion about this movie is some nonsensical chatter about a missy elliot video with a pussy wagon in it!!!
[quote]I am not one of those people who like intense artsy movies with drawn out stories and too much emotional bullshit[/quote]
Basically since Kill Bill didn’t fit your personal criteria, you’re disappointed in it. Fair enough.
[quote]Kill bill in one over done completely pointless movie.[/quote]
What was so pointless about it? Provide examples instead of generalities.
[quote]Goodness gracious the pointless baseless ceasless rumbling was the most painful experience i ever had to sit through[/quote]
Once again provide examples. From what I gather, you didn’t like the dialogue. What exactly was pointless or baseless about it?
[quote]I have to say i am totally dissapointed in most folks on this website.[/quote]
Why? Because we enjoyed the film and you didn’t? Your opinion is held in higher regard than the next person? Kill Bill Vol.1 and 2 are critically acclaimed films, however they are intentionally aimed at a certian audience. The mainstream audience not embracing it was expected. This same mainstream audience would’nt embrace the classic Shaw Brothers film “8 Diagram Pole Figher” if it ran in U.S theaters. Some people are going to get and others are not, it still doesn’t take away from the brilliance of this masterwork.
[quote]For crying out loud, some of you people even think that this movie will win an oscar, are you people serious?[/quote]
That’s a question you should ask yourself. Are you serious? The quality of the work is obvious. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure that out. I can see it, the majority of critics can see it, people around the world can see it; what’s blinding your vision? ÂÂ
[quote]I understand being fiercely loyal to a movie director like Tarantino but most of you folks a bonafide lunatics even worse than star trek fanatics with no concept of reality.[/quote]
You’re reaching.
[quote]This movie is so bad i dont even see how any one could unabashedly claim its some piece of art.[/quote]
Yeah because after all YOUR opinion is more valuable than the next person.  :
[quote]This was just some money making venture for Tarantino and Marimax studios which are wallowing in obscurity nowadays due to releasing over hyped trash like this and trying to sell it to the public as some form of art!!![/quote]
The reaching continues.
[quote]Its no wonder that the depth of discussion about this movie is some nonsensical chatter about a missy elliot video with a pussy wagon in it!!! [/quote]
Obviously, you missed my post which presented a chapter by chapter analysis of the film.
[quote]The coffin scene was brilliant but the darkness stood for too long! I’m still puzzled as to how exactly Beatrix got out from there. Did she fly up? crawl up?
[/quote]
Beatrix is 6 feet tall and is buried 6 feet under. She doesn’t have to fly or crawl. She just has to stand up.
it looked way deeper than 6 feet
[quote]
Why? Because we enjoyed the film and you didn’t? Your opinion is held in higher regard than the next person? Kill Bill Vol.1 and 2 are critically acclaimed films, however they are intentionally aimed at a certian audience. The mainstream audience not embracing it was expected. This same mainstream audience would’nt embrace the classic Shaw Brothers film “8 Diagram Pole Figher” if it ran in U.S theaters. Some people are going to get and others are not, it still doesn’t take away from the brilliance of this masterwork.
[/quote]
You are one hundred percent right. This is a brilliant movie that will win all the oscar awards next year. Infact you are so right thats why this movie was so liked by every one and thats why its burning up the box office at a whopping 60 million after 6 weeks. Infact it seems to be doing just a little bit better than the first kill bill. You are so right, i am just confused as to what the hell went wrong with all the hype the movie got and why it did so poorly at the box office. OOOh and those critics you keep talking about, damn they seem to be very good at gauging the main stream audience, thats why pretty much all the films they lambasted this spring seem to even have done better than kill bill itself. (Man on fire ring a bell? Its doing far better than kill bill 2 and had a much lower critical review than kill bill. The audience seemed to have loved this film so much better than this wondorous masterpiece you are talking about. Thats why every one in the world is amazed by kill bill 2 (even if it more or less flopped considering all the prehype it got and the fact that this is supposed to be part 2 of kill bill) That must be a record for worst earnings at the box office by a sequel in the last 2 or 3 years. I know of no sequeal that has performed that poorly as of yet!!! So much for that critical acclaim you are bragging about (because it seems you have no other valid point, every one pretty much agrees the story is lame as hell, the dialogue rambles on and on and makes you want to shoot yourself after the first 30 minutes alone, script has no depth, the movie actively dulls ones senses, but you are 100 percent right. This movie is a masterpiece and will win 10 oscars next year (thats if the oscars remember this borefest at all even if the audience was so quick to forget it after just a few weeks)
Tarantino will be remembered as the greatest movie maker for such an alarmingly stupid movie, that conjures up memories of Michael Dudicoff and his American Ninja series (i wonder how dvd sales of that crap fest went)
Yeah dream fool, stay in your own cheap little fantasy world, i could care less. You can cover your head with bag and scream yourself deaf, it does not change the fact that this movie is stupid, boring self absorbed nonsensical crap!!!
But you are right my friend , its a masterpiece (in your dreams that is)
One other thing that i just found out, the very same people who were talking about how great kill bill vol 1 was a great master piece were the same people talking about volume 2 and saying the exact same thing about it winning an oscar.
Yeah i guess you are right about me and the rest of the world that failed to even mention kill bill for a single oscar award (i dont even think the low down dirty trash at mtv movies that normally support tarantino movies even mentioned this snorefest of a movie) Yeah you are right !!! the rest of the world went mad and you are the only one sane person who thinks that tarantino is not washed up and over the hill as far as movies go!!!
Ps…I heard a teeny weeny rumour about the Tarantino brain trust that brought you this screw job  of a movie and had it cut into two parts is also doing the same to the DVD…ONLY THIS TIME ITS SEVEN DIFFERENT RELEASES…
yeah i will tell all my dummy friends who cant see a lube job half a mile a way to line up and buy up all that crap on seven different DVDS!!! Talk about money grabbing miramax
BTW Dont bother to respond i am not interested in arguing with you about this. Keep your bullshit comments to yourself in your own fucking dream world where Tarantino is god and you are part of his flock of dumb sheep!!!
Bring on Hero (I wonder how Tarantino got his dirty filthy greedy hands on it. Fucking loser now is trying to hijack other peoples movies that have actually garnered international acclaim and have actually won respectable movie awards instead of just skating by on empty critics left by star struck baffoons who will sell their mothers to make a buck!!!
You need to get laid.
[quote]
You are one hundred percent right. This is a brilliant movie that will win all the oscar awards next year. Infact you are so right thats why this movie was so liked by every one and thats why its burning up the box office at a whopping 60 million after 6 weeks. Infact it seems to be doing just a little bit better than the first kill bill.[/quote]
The old it didn’t well at the box office argument. Of course it didn’t do well at the box office. The film was aimed and made for a limited audience. The mainstream audience was just along for the ride. They either got it or not and the geek audience didn’t give a fuck either way.
[quote]You are so right, i am just confused as to what the hell went wrong with all the hype the movie got and why it did so poorly at the box office.[/quote]
What you’re actually confused about is the intent behind this film. I don’t look to mainsteam acceptance to inform me on what’s a successful film. Following such a critera is a flawed path. For all the mainstream acceptance that “Titanic” received that was one of the most overrated films in cinema history.
[quote]OOOh and those critics you keep talking about, damn they seem to be very good at gauging the main stream audience, thats why pretty much all the films they lambasted this spring seem to even have done better than kill bill itself.[/quote]
Critics don’t review films for purpose of whether or not it will gain mainstream acceptance, films are reviewed on the basis of their cinematic merit.
[quote]Man on fire ring a bell? Its doing far better than kill bill 2 and had a much lower critical review than kill bill. The audience seemed to have loved this film so much better than this wondorous masterpiece you are talking about.[/quote]
“Man On Fire” is a film that appeals to the mainstream audience, “Kill Bill” does not. Of course it’s going to do better box office numbers. When is it going to register to your brain that Kill Bill is for a targeted audience?
[quote]Thats why every one in the world is amazed by kill bill 2 (even if it more or less flopped considering all the prehype it got and the fact that this is supposed to be part 2 of kill bill) That must be a record for worst earnings at the box office by a sequel in the last 2 or 3 years. I know of no sequeal that has performed that poorly as of yet!!![/quote]
Kill Bill Vol.2 isn’t a sequel. It’s the second half of ONE film.
Continued…
[quote]So much for that critical acclaim you are bragging about (because it seems you have no other valid point, every one pretty much agrees the story is lame as hell, the dialogue rambles on and on and makes you want to shoot yourself after the first 30 minutes alone, script has no depth, the movie actively dulls ones senses, but you are 100 percent right.[/quote]
That mainstream acceptance argument holds no weight so throw it in the trash where it belongs. Bottom line the mainstream audience doesn’t know shit about critically analyzing a film that’s why you have overrated masterpeices like “Independence Day” that do well at the box office. :
[quote]This movie is a masterpiece and will win 10 oscars next year (thats if the oscars remember this borefest at all even if the audience was so quick to forget it after just a few weeks)[/quote]
I couldn’t care less if it wins 10 Oscars or NO Oscars. Who gives a fuck? The Oscars don’t mean anything to me. Their credibility has gone so far down the drain over the years it’s not even funny. The Oscars basically boil down to politics.
[quote]Tarantino will be remembered as the greatest movie maker for such an alarmingly stupid movie, that conjures up memories of Michael Dudicoff and his American Ninja series (i wonder how dvd sales of that crap fest went)[/quote]
Yawn!
[quote]Yeah dream fool, stay in your own cheap little fantasy world, i could care less. You can cover your head with bag and scream yourself deaf, it does not change the fact that this movie is stupid, boring self absorbed nonsensical crap!!![/quote]
I don’t need to do anything because the FACT is the film is critcially acclaimed. The mainstream audience doesn’t know shit. We have critics for a reason. I value a critics’s analysis of a film over a mainstreamer foaming at the mouth.
[quote]One other thing that i just found out, the very same people who were talking about how great kill bill vol 1 was a great master piece were the same people talking about volume 2 and saying the exact same thing about it winning an oscar.
Yeah i guess you are right about me and the rest of the world that failed to even mention kill bill for a single oscar award (i dont even think the low down dirty trash at mtv movies that normally support tarantino movies even mentioned this snorefest of a movie) Yeah you are right !!! the rest of the world went mad and you are the only one sane person who thinks that tarantino is not washed up and over the hill as far as movies go!!![/quote]
Yeah I’m the ONLY sane person. I guess all those critics and film geeks who enjoyed the film don’t account for people. After all it’s just ME. :
[quote]BTW Dont bother to respond i am not interested in arguing with you about this.[/quote]
Then don’t, however I will respond and HAVE responded with impressive might. Now let’s see if you actually have the balls to NOT respond back. I doubt it.
[quote]Keep your bullshit comments to yourself in your own fucking dream world where Tarantino is god and you are  part of his flock of dumb sheep!!![/quote]
Typical mouth foaming from the mainstreamer. Go back to watching your formula factory mainstream acceptance films like “Scary Movie 3” and shut the fuck up.
[quote]Bring on Hero (I wonder how Tarantino got his dirty filthy greedy hands on it. Fucking loser now is trying to hijack other peoples movies that have actually garnered international acclaim and have actually won respectable movie awards instead of just skating by on empty critics left by star struck baffoons who will sell their mothers to make a buck!!![/quote]
Hero won’t do well at the box office either because it’s film also aimed for a limited audience. That’s why it’s being pushed back to August, away from the blockbuster summer flicks like “Spiderman 2”. Does this mean Hero is a bad film? Nope, it just means as a stated before, box office successful is NOT the critera for analyzing the cinematic merits of a film. If Hero did 50 bucks on it’s opening weekend, it won’t take anything away from it’s brilliance. The same applies for Kill Bill. PEACE!
check it out:
<LINK_TEXT text=“http://www.bbc.co.uk/films/2004/04/07/k … review.sht”>http://www.bbc.co.uk/films/2004/04/07/kill_bill_volume_2_2004_review.sht</LINK_TEXT> ml
btw check out review of volume1 while ur at it:
<LINK_TEXT text=“http://www.bbc.co.uk/films/2003/10/06/k … eview.shtm”>http://www.bbc.co.uk/films/2003/10/06/kill_bill_volume1_2003_review.shtm</LINK_TEXT> l
Rolling Stone Magazine:
<LINK_TEXT text=“Yahoo | Mail, Weather, Search, Politics, News, Finance, Sports & Videos … Review.htm”>Yahoo | Mail, Weather, Search, Politics, News, Finance, Sports & Videos</LINK_TEXT>
<LINK_TEXT text=“http://www.rollingstone.com/features/co … p?pid=2894”>http://www.rollingstone.com/features/coverstory/featuregen.asp?pid=2894</LINK_TEXT>
something old:
<LINK_TEXT text=“Entertainment News, Celebrity News, Celebrity Gossip - E! Online … x.html?ibd”>Entertainment News, Celebrity News, Celebrity Gossip - E! Online</LINK_TEXT>
<LINK_TEXT text=“Abandoning reserves not the answer to aboriginal suicide: former PM | Canada.Com … 76b8751ba9”>http://www.canada.com/national/nationalpost/news/artslife/story.html?id=454c0627-0ec4-42fb-b88e-af76b8751ba9</LINK_TEXT>
i love how he sais there “as Tarantino continues his quest to marry the spaghetti western to the kung fu action flick.”
i love that line
CNN article:
<LINK_TEXT text=“http://www.cnn.com/2004/SHOWBIZ/Movies/ … index.html”>http://www.cnn.com/2004/SHOWBIZ/Movies/04/19/kill.bill.ap/index.html</LINK_TEXT>
I liked Vol 2. I’m not sure which I think is better, but I don’t think you can really compare them.
The only con was the largely abscent QT dialogue, but the dialogue did at no point bother me at all. I liked most of the dialogue, but it’s just doesn’t really have those brilliant lines like in Pulp Fiction.
Kill Bill as a whole is currently my fave movie
First off let me state, I hate ignorant Kill Bill haters! LOL! Secondly, I feel both volumes are absolutely brilliant and no amount of words can describe this life changing cinematic experience, it is like being born again into the Tarantino religion or fandom!!! Anyways I have a small partial review in the “Honestly, who found KB 2 disappointing” thread. An absolute Orgasmic Tarantino and Uma fest!
Nuff said.
[quote=“greendestiny”]
I saw this movie last night and i have to say i am completely shocked as to how far Quentin Tarantino has fallen. I missed the first kill bill installment mostly because my girlfriend pretty much told me the whole story in less than 2 mins. I am not one of those people who like intense artsy movies with drawn out stories and too much emotional bullshit (Sally field type stuff) but kill bill in one over done completely pointless movie. I have to say this is by far the worst movie i have seen all year long (i have only seen about 5 movies this year so i guess kill bill might not be the worst movie of the year, i just havent seen the rest of them) Goodness gracious the pointless baseless ceasless rumbling was the most painful experience i ever had to sit through (i broke my ankle at work and spent the whole day watching movies and this movie hurt way worse than my broken ankle) Goodness gracious i could have passed out from popping painkillers one after the other. Fortunately the theatre was not crowded and people were talking pretty much through out the movie walking in and out.
after about 90 minutes people just got up and started walking out.
I have to say i am totally dissapointed in most folks on this website. For crying out loud, some of you people even think that this movie will win an oscar, are you people serious? I understand being fiercely loyal to a movie director like Tarantino but most of you folks a bonafide lunatics even worse than star trek fanatics with no concept of reality. This movie is so bad i dont even see how any one could unabashedly claim its some piece of art. This was just some money making venture for Tarantino and Marimax studios which are wallowing in obscurity nowadays due to releasing over hyped trash like this and trying to sell it to the public as some form of art!!!
Its no wonder that the depth of discussion about this movie is some nonsensical chatter about a missy elliot video with a pussy wagon in it!!!
[/quote]
DIE
Peculiarly, Quentin Tarantino recieved his best notices in ten years for an unscheduled and hastily assembled second instalment of a throwaway genre movie he had promised would last just 90 minutes in total. American critics who rather sniffed at the flashy Vol. 1 responded warmly to a greater focus on character second time around, raving without restraint over the signature speeches QT crafted for Michael Madsen’s Budd, David Carradine’s Bill and Uma Thurman’s Beatrix Kiddo. In retrospect, though, perhaps these critics simply responded to a rare opportunity to take a second look at a deceptively complex film, because Vol. 2 makes precious little sense in isolation and the better reviews did not translate into increased box office. (Both movies did respectable business, but all that cultural impact only equates to about Man On Fire money). Volume 2 grafts depth onto characters that seemed like more genre ciphers in Vol. 1, a function that becomes obvious when you first watch both parts in tandem. The DVD release in August, then, represented another milestone for the DVD generation, affording collectors an opportunity to restore the two halves of what in hindsight appears to be QT’s third masterpiece.
Part of “The Ultimate Review Of 2004, Empires best 25 movies of the year” (EMPIRE magazine Issue 187, January 2005), where Volume 2 came 8th.
*And see Buono, I ain’t the only one who feels Vol. 2 wasn’t really complete or nearly complete and which NEEDS Volume 1 (therefore 1 film)!!