It seemed to me like DP had a lot of QT’s personal feelings/possible experiences in it. I can’t say I didn’t enjoy Death Proof. I did. I thought it was kickass. Nevermind I’m a chick that would LOVE to be in Zoe Bell’s role… I think he did fine with DP.
The box office sales only showed the lack of proper advertising. It’s almost like they assumed that there were so many people out there that care about the names Quentin Tarantino, and/or Robert Rodriguez, that they need not bother hyping it. Had it not been for the internet, I’d have probably never have known it was comming until it was out.
To say that DP was a failure is to say QT’s failed as a film-maker. He didn’t! No. It’s not PF, and it’s not RD, but it’s still good. It’s still one of the best genre films to come out last year. It’s certainly the best exploitation film in ages. And that car chase ROCKED!
Now onto what’s next. IG will be not only the BEST war movie ever made… It will be the ONLY one that the mass of this generation is going to see and pay attention to. He’s a fucking genius for revisiting this genre.
And back on topic. IF he decides to take time off of IG to re-make FPC, I’ll watch it, but I won’t be happy about it. However, who’s to say it wouldn’t be good?
This would suck on so many levels. period.
[quote]That he shouldn’t just say yes to an idea his best friend fed into him.[/quote]
[quote]I do think that Death Proof was not really from QTs own heart.[/quote]
Goddamn!!! Suddenly DP has went from QT's best movie ever to he shouldnt have made it. When did the flip flop take place? I dont think the movie is that good, except for the first half and the first car crash (which is AMAZING), but you guys went apeshit over it. Ify, I dont recall if you went apie or not, I guess I could look that up.
QT himself took the grindhouse idea and ran with it. RR was actually shocked when QT started making the rounds telling everyone who would listen that he was making a grindhouse flick with RR. QT seemed very, very excited to be doing this beloved project as he talked so much about wanting to do it, how much he loved doing it and how many times could he mention his film collection? I dont know where this " not really from QTs own heart" horse shit comes from. QT simply made a mistep and didnt give the public what they wanted from him but rather what he wanted to give the public. The public rejected it. So what? The real question is will he give his fans what they want from him or do another side project. Ive been questioning QT every since he was making the circuit prior to DP being released. When he went on TV and talked about how cool American Idol is I almost tore down my giant Pulp Fiction poster! QT is changing and im not sure he knows what cool is anymore. I hope he proves me wrong but if he hires Spears for his next film Im gonna burn my Giant Pulp poster and piss on the ashes!
I love Death Proof. I think some just want to think QT has went downhill, so there bashing his lastest movie to prove a point.
Its only one film. No one is perfect. If he chooses to do this remake though…wtf can we say then?
Well I don’t know if he will make this or not, but I just know that I love Death Proof, and I think QT hasn’t lost it.
I love Death Proof and I will never think it was his first mistake as a movie. But I do understand what Ify said in his previous, I pretty much agree.
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Goddamn!!! Suddenly DP has went from QT’s best movie ever to he shouldnt have made it. When did the flip flop take place? I dont think the movie is that good, except for the first half and the first car crash (which is AMAZING), but you guys went apeshit over it. Ify, I dont recall if you went apie or not, I guess I could look that up.
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Speaking about myself, I refrained from posting any opinions about Death Proof during the first months. Thing is that it is very easy to get carried away with the anticipation when your favorite director comes out with a new movie, and that may cloud your judgement. I wanted the movie to sink in after some time so that I would be more objective in my estimation.
I liked Death Proof. I would give it a 7.5/10 rating. But it is probably my least favorite QT film. The main reason for this is because I felt it was quite uneven. There were parts which were purely orgasmic (the crash and the last 20 minutes) and some parts which, I am not ashamed to say, bored me. Which is quite strange because I would have never dreamt I would have been bored by any dialogue written by QT before this movie came out. This is why this is the first and only QT movie till now in which I am tempted to just skip to the good parts instead of sitting through the whole thing.
One must also take into consideration the fact that Grindhouse was firstly concieved as a gimmick. In the sense that QT and RR first thought of this Grindhouse gimmick, THEN tried to come up with their own stories. It is not like they had the stories already written and then decided to incoroprate them into a grindhouse experience. I think that made a difference in the quality of the final product.
Still, I am proud more than ever to be a QT fan. It is quite difficult to find another director whose first five films are of such quality in his filmography. I just hope he doesn’t taint it with this Faster Pussycat remake.
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Goddamn!!! Suddenly DP has went from QT’s best movie ever to he shouldnt have made it. When did the flip flop take place? I dont think the movie is that good, except for the first half and the first car crash (which is AMAZING), but you guys went apeshit over it. Ify, I dont recall if you went apie or not, I guess I could look that up.
QT himself took the grindhouse idea and ran with it. RR was actually shocked when QT started making the rounds telling everyone who would listen that he was making a grindhouse flick with RR. QT seemed very, very excited to be doing this beloved project as he talked so much about wanting to do it, how much he loved doing it and how many times could he mention his film collection? I dont know where this " not really from QTs own heart" horse shit comes from. QT simply made a mistep and didnt give the public what they wanted from him but rather what he wanted to give the public. The public rejected it. So what? The real question is will he give his fans what they want from him or do another side project. Ive been questioning QT every since he was making the circuit prior to DP being released. When he went on TV and talked about how cool American Idol is I almost tore down my giant Pulp Fiction poster! QT is changing and im not sure he knows what cool is anymore. I hope he proves me wrong but if he hires Spears for his next film Im gonna burn my Giant Pulp poster and piss on the ashes!
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You have a tendency to over-exaggerate. I don’t think anybody with the exception of a handful of people on this forum said that Death Proof was QT’s best film. If you payed attention to the ratings it got, it got 9/10 or less. Whereas I’m sure these same people gave his previous films 10/10. Nobody here doubts the quality of DP, it’s a brilliant film. Personally, I had tears in my eyes after I watched it, because I had the nerve to believe other people’s opinion that QT had fallen off, that it was boring, that the dialogue was shit etc. At no point did I ever get bored whilst watching it, and it is one of the best films I have seen since Kill Bill.
What we’re trying to say is, in terms of QT’s own very high standards, Death Proof just does not cut it. It’s obvious that DP is levels below his other films, and that is shown through it’s minute aspects, i.e. RD, PF, JB and KB feel like big films. They feel like huge projects and are epic in their own ways. DP however, is relatively small. Everything happens on a micro level. Everything is low key. It FEELS like a small film after you’ve finished watching it. In that way, I find it hard to compare with QT’s other films as it is on a whole other level. It’s QT doing things in a non-QT way (in a sense that it’s not like how he did things in his previous films), but manages to stay very QT. It’s a whole other side to him. It lacks so many things found in his previous 4 masterworks, and re-works other things (like the trunk shot). In essence, everything seemed to be watered down. It seemed like everything was 2nd best, whereas in his other films, everything was first class. For example, the dialogue didn’t have as much humour or wit, the characters weren’t “larger than life” (meaning they all took a back seat, pardon the pun), the soundtrack was filled with “ok” songs, the black suits were missing and I think that signifies something. It’s like he purposefully departed from his other films and wanted us fans to see that. As Pete says, it was experimental. I mean the scene where the motorcyclist has a crash, is unlike anything QT has ever done, yet it feels so QT.
The only thing I don’t really like about DP is the idea behind explaining to us (the viewer) of what had just taken place through a character in the film (Earl McGraw). I’m like “why doesn’t QT just let us decide ourself what we think his motives were”. In fact, I was quite surprised at the inclusion of this scene. It’s one of the other ways QT departs from his tradition style of story-telling. He hasn’t done it before, in fact he’s made a point at purposefully letting us decide what we think happened after a certain situation. I never liked this device in Psycho (how Bates’ intentions and motives are layed out in front of you via a character that explains everything) and that’s exactly the effect QT was going for, but it just didn’t appeal to me. On a smaller scale, imagine if QT told us what happened to Lee, would it be more or less thought-worthy?
With regards to my perception of it prior to it being released, well I was always sceptical. Not about the quality, but the type of film it is. I don’t much like the horror genre. But of course it was never quite going to be a horror film. Horror and musical, never have liked them. So for me, it wasn’t that appealing. The only appeal was that it was written and directed by Quentin Tarantino! Thankfully, I loved the film, but it comes bottom on my “best QT films” list.
[quote]Ive been questioning QT every since he was making the circuit prior to DP being released. When he went on TV and talked about how cool American Idol is I almost tore down my giant Pulp Fiction poster! QT is changing and im not sure he knows what cool is anymore. I hope he proves me wrong but if he hires Spears for his next film Im gonna burn my Giant Pulp poster and piss on the ashes!
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The thing with QT is, he doesn’t go with everybody else. He has his own tastes and opinions and isn’t scared to convey them. I watched an interview with him on MTV2 with Zane Lowe. QT was choosing tracks for them to play. Right at the end, he said he liked Maroon 5 and you could see Zane’s heart break. He was so disappointed with QT, and let him know that too. It took him a while to get over it, and asked QT to introduce it. QT was surprised they were gonna play it. Then there was a message on screen saying “you didn’t think we were actually going to play Maroon 5 did you?” I thought it was funny. The thing with QT is, he likes almost everything, and tends not to like some people, most people think are great. I don’t see how what QT likes has any bearing whatsoever on his films. I would never do some stupid shit like “oh my God, QT likes American Idol? That’s it, I hate Pulp Fiction now, I’m going to tear my poster down, burn it and piss on it afterwards”. That to me is like the definition of stupidity and exaggeration. Why should what he did 14 years AFTER Pulp Fiction, change my perception of it? It’s stupid shit like this that annoys the hell out of me. Like people have a right to dictate what QT should and shouldn’t like. When my idols (Tarantino David Gilmour) say they like something that I don’t, I don’t throw a strop. I accept it, afterall - to each his own! Until I hear QT himself say he’s thinking about hiring Spears as an actress, I’ll reserve my judgement till then.
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I watched an interview with him on MTV2 with Zane Lowe. QT was choosing tracks for them to play. Right at the end, he said he liked Maroon 5 and you could see Zane’s heart break. He was so disappointed with QT, and let him know that too. It took him a while to get over it, and asked QT to introduce it. QT was surprised they were gonna play it. Then there was a message on screen saying “you didn’t think we were actually going to play Maroon 5 did you?” I thought it was funny. [/quote]
I watch MTV2 all the time, especially Gonzo, best channel to stay tuned with the best of brit indie rock. And I also watched this interview, I was disappointed too when he said he likes Maroon 5 but in a way, sometimes he can have bad tastes, so I was in the end more amused to know he likes the band. Plus I totally loved the message about not playing the vid, ahah, time for revenge !
I think QT hiring Britney Spears would be like him going over the line. I couldnt accept it from him, esp when hes one of my most favorite directors. It would be like Scorsese picking Hillary Duff to star in his next film. I mean, cmon man. Forget the teeny bopper/Lindsay Lohan shit and make some real cinema.
Id be lying if I said Death Proof was his best film. Im sure I exaggerated how much I liked it too after the first few times I saw it (hey it was a new QT movie) but its a thing where I need to step back and let the dust settle before I can really place how I feel about it. I mean its a fun movie, but its not the kind of thing where I’m gobsmacked by how incredibly good it is. Its a fun, crazy exploitation flick with some cool moments. Id never put it on a Top 10 Favorite film list. Its probably somewhere in my Top 100.
I think the problem with DP is not that he lost his touch or that he wasn’t totally into making this, but it is in my opinion that the restrictions that you have when making a movie in the grindhouse genre has were in the way.
Often given as the most important critique on DP is the boring dialogue. I don’t see how QT could make the dialogue any more suited for a movie within this genre. If he made it less boring it wouldn’t be in the style of Grindhouse movies…it has to be corny and kinda weak. I think he did a BRILLIANT job finding a fine line between his own style and dialogue and finding that b-movie dialogue feel.
Same with the choice for the effects and budget, they made a fine blend between what they are capable of and giving enough grindhouse kick to the movies to be able to call it Grindhouse. Now this also gives him restrictions, because, as stated above, if you polish it up to much he would’ve written himself out of the genre he wanted to be in with this movie.
I think it is a great achievement and it is excellently executed in the way both QT and RR did this, but the price is lack of support for the movie because it gets less interesting to view an awful lot for most of the people…
I think a director should always follow his own heart and not do fatal adjustments, just to keep the public happy.
Having said this I dont think doing “Faster Pussy Cat! Kill! Kill!” would be a good choice, because he will restrict himself too much. Just let him do IB and mix it up with everything in his pop culture expertise, like he did with kill bill and reinvent and blend moviegenres into a real masterpiece without the restrictions that come with doing a movie in one genre only.
Id much rather see him do his Moonshiner movie. Thats something that would be alot of fun. It will give him another chance to try some diff kind of dialogue too. Id love to hear QTs spin on the hillbilly talk. I really dont want to see a remake of Pussycat. Its one of my fave cult films and I dont think its worth it. Plus Im not a fan of Britney, Kim or Eva. Kim and Eva are sexy, but who cares? Its not enough of a reason to do a fuckin movie.
Damn, I can’t wait for IB. I hope to God he doesn’t do it like a TV series like he sort of said, to Seb. It has to be one giant epic, and if it’s split into 2-3 films, it doesn’t matter. He could do companion pieces (a la Eastwood’s recent epics), a trilogy or seperate them by volumes. I think he has too much for one film, or he could just condense it all, and make a 3 hour extravaganza. Either way, I want it to be a feature film(s).
Worst. idead. Ever. Well one anyway. Don’t do it QT!
yeah my heart sank when i heard that news (or rumor, rather). I really think that, regardless of the cast, if he did this movie I would stop being a Tarantino fan. I would still like the old stuff but wouldn’t really care what new stuff he does.
I know this post is several months later than the previous posts but I feel i’m going to give my 2 cents the January discussion about Death Proof and whether it was good. I think Death Proof is a great movie. It seems like people forget what it is, it’s Quentin’s take on b-movies. It can’t be fairly compared to Pulp Fiction or Kill Bill because those are A movies and where meant to be so. So it’s easy to write off any flaws of Death Proof, as it’s not supposed to be at the same level of quality of his previous films. The real disappointment is the failure of Grindhouse at the box office, people who weren’t Tarantino or Rodriguez fans just weren’t showing up. So Quentin wouldn’t be feeling down about Death Proof, but about Grindhouse, the collaboration between him and RR that they were so passionate about.
Like someone else brought up in the topic, in Charlie Rose interviews he pointed out that other directors started losing touch after a movie that they’re really passionate about is recieved poorly. He said that after this happens directors tend to release star vehicles for much of the rest of their career. So, if Inglorious bastards stars fucking Tom Hanks, George Clooney and Harrison Ford then fuck… the very thing that Tarantino said about the downfall of other directors will have happened to him.
I doubt that will happen though, because Inglorious Bastards is a project he’s very passionate about and has been planning through most of his directing career and he’s always said he doesn’t look for people on “the list”, but for whoever would be best for the part (which is usually someone off “the list”).
Pornstar Tera Patrick might be in the remake: <LINK_TEXT text=“http://www.filmschoolrejects.com/news/t … n-star.php”>http://www.filmschoolrejects.com/news/tera-patrick-latest-crossover-porn-star.php</LINK_TEXT>
I dont think Tera looks like Tura at all, but thats just my opinion.
Hmm… this could be interesting, but I seriously dont see this remake happening for a long long time.
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Pornstar Tera Patrick might be in the remake: <LINK_TEXT text=“http://www.filmschoolrejects.com/news/t … n-star.php”>http://www.filmschoolrejects.com/news/tera-patrick-latest-crossover-porn-star.php</LINK_TEXT>
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thanks for not referring to our own news entry on that
Sorry Seb I didnt notice you alreadly reported it 
I don’t get all these “fast pussycat, kill kill” rumors these days.
check these out:
<LINK_TEXT text=“http://www.thedailygoss.com/gossip/blim … e/0003348/”>http://www.thedailygoss.com/gossip/blimey!-britney-lands-a-killer-lesbian-stripper-role/0003348/</LINK_TEXT>
<LINK_TEXT text=“http://www.showbizspy.com/showbiz/08062 … ntino-film”>http://www.showbizspy.com/showbiz/08062008/britney-spears-to-play-lesbian-stripper-in-quentin-tarantino-film</LINK_TEXT>
I think Quentin Tarantino is the ONLY person who’s not mentioned this project ever. where does that shit come from