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General European Movie Talk


#1

Talk about European films in general, ask questions (about releases, films you’re looking for …), point out stuff etc.



just so we don’t get any unnecessary topics about small things



but no spamming, please, thanks 8)


#2

[quote=“Johny_Exhale”]


but no spamming, please, thanks 8)
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that cracked me up!



you should change your name to johny_responsible!



anywayz:



What are good european dvds to own? Not euro releases, but european films, for instance on criterion…

I really like the melville and godard criterions. Lots of extra’s that are really extras. Usually you get fooled with interviews that are more just promotional shit for the movie. I want indepth interviews with cast and crew! Docu’s, good example (non-euro :frowning:):

the thx 1138 about american zoetrope.


#3

I read this article in a dutch newspaper about how european cinema has sold its strenghts and authenticity.

We make poor clones of american movies and, when you talk about “european cinema” you automatically think about movies from other era’s…



what are your opinions on this? has european cinema lost its touch? what can be done about this money pressure? The french subsidize their projects and demand that there are a percentage of quality french films in cinema’s…so I have read…


#4

Maybe it has, it was a long time ago i saw an european film. For example, i used to like swedish film but now i don´t care. There´s not much new and exciting stuff out there, but hopefully this will change.


#5

[quote=“tarantino_is_god”]
I read this article in a dutch newspaper about how european cinema has sold its strenghts and authenticity.

We make poor clones of american movies and, when you talk about “european cinema” you automatically think about movies from other era’s…



what are your opinions on this? has european cinema lost its touch? what can be done about this money pressure? The french subsidize their projects and demand that there are a percentage of quality french films in cinema’s…so I have read…


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losing its touch? well first off i think cinema in its entirely is losing its touch, including European Cinema, it will never be the way it was in the 60’s and 70’s, we kicked ass back then, everyone’s ass, don’t get me wrong, i still think Italy is thé best movie country out there, America has never been able to top em, which i think is great

But if we can’t get back to the quality we deliverd in the 60’s and 70’s we can get back to the mindstate Europe had back then about their films, “we don’t need America, we can become popular, rich & famous right here, i can be heard on my own ground” which has totally gone

9 out of 10 European directors try to make a film in their lifetime that gets them overseas, get american actors an oscar nomination and big in the states, you don’t need that, you can build your own empire and fanbase right here, we should stop getting influenced by American cinema and start getting influenced by our own past in films, look at what Italy and France alone have accoplished over the years, it’s redicilous how much absolutely great things they’ve done, if they weren’t there there would be a big hole in cinema now

all European cinema has to be told now is “you can do this on your own, you are great at what you do”, a little fuckin confidence maybe, go back to make some epics, great things, have fun, in the 60’s, Italians saw Americans make westerns and thought “hey, we can do that” and they fuckin’ killed em at it, spaghetti westerns with a whole lot of cheese on top, balls out shootings, they cut out the boring romantic plots from American westerns and created their own genre out of it, they did the same with crime films in the 70’s, we need to go back to doing stuff like that, all of us, not ‘copying’ American films (which is done too much as it is) but create our own little genre, kick ass, show what we can do, have a little fuckin confidence, make 100% European produced flicks and rule at it


#6

Totally agree man! I mean the oscars are the standards for everything now. I also think that they are underestimating their own people.

People don’t want to see poorly made clones of american work, but want something original from our own grounds.

I think if we all get that arrogance back and believe in ourselves that we be kicking the shit out of the world again if you re talking about cinema.



I would love to see another Fellini, Godard, Truffaut, Melville, Visconti, etcetera stand up and do their thing. The problem is that nobody will take that risk…its all made by hollywood standards.

I ain’t saying that hollywood is bad, but everything in art should be made with your fucking heart! not by someone else’s standards.

Stop calling it the movie industrie and get back to making art.


#7

I wish someone can take a porn film and make it very mainstream, like Deep Throat. Nowadays in USA all violent and sexual movies have to R rated.



I’ll be the one, yeah.


#8

Porn was becoming a genre. Then video came and they started churning out cheap crap. That was when it just went that way and became simply “porn” or as i like to call it: pr0n.



There just is no market for both violent and explicitly sexual films. If you are looking for rape themed pr0n films going mainstream that will never happen in a million years and i can guarantee that. Violent sex is not something that is too legal in a lot of countries. On the other hand, just normal pr0n is very unlikely.



So, you really can’t do it, it just isn’t going to happen. It could have happened. Blame video and sleazy pr0n directors.

[quote=“Buck”]
I wish someone can take a porn film and make it very mainstream, like Deep Throat. Nowadays in USA all violent and sexual movies have to R rated.
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Just R. Most of the violent and sexual films you are talking about get NC-17s at least in USA, don’t they? I am not American obviously, but i swear that so many of the films that come here get Rs in America and i think, what a tight system! They get like M’s in Australia (meaning all can see).


#9

the MPAA is a lot tougher on sexuality than on violence. See 9 Songs, Where the truth lies, Showgirls etc etc…



but i wish someone would make mainstream porn as well. Was 9 Songs porn? I have only seen parts, but I guess it doesn’t qualify as porn.



I have yet to see Deep Throat, i hope they release it on DVD soon


#10

[quote=“The Seb”]
Was 9 Songs porn? I have only seen parts, but I guess it doesn’t qualify as porn.

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not at all, ‘erotic’ at most, Deep Throat is though, hard fucking core 8)


#11

[quote=“The Seb”]
the MPAA is a lot tougher on sexuality than on violence. See 9 Songs, Where the truth lies, Showgirls etc etc…



but i wish someone would make mainstream porn as well. Was 9 Songs porn? I have only seen parts, but I guess it doesn’t qualify as porn.



I have yet to see Deep Throat, i hope they release it on DVD soon
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not porn, just the most explicit film in British film history…



lol, as far as ratings and sexuality go, Australia is actually very light on sexuality, but that is just our culture. Australian films tend to have quite a bit of sex, and most of the time it seems unwarranted and gratuitous, but only really if you don’t understand it.


#12

The same in the Netherlands… The movie Turks Fruit contains a lot of sex (it’s a very good movie nonetheless, the best Dutch movie there is in my opinion). It’s banned in a few countries, rated X or 18 in another few countries, but it’s only rated 12 here.



You’re all a bunch of pussies :stuck_out_tongue: