Steadicam, How it works and camera movement
are you fucking blind?
and if you read the article it says that Kubrick was the first guy to utilize the steadicam’s full potential.
Then what kind of camera use is utilized in the opening of Citizen Kane. it looks like a steady cam to me!
[quote=“Biohazard”]
You don’t know more than him! The fucking steady cam shot originated in Citizen Kane! The opening shot of the film is enough proof!
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Is that the same steadycam as what we use now ? Cause they had similar system but wasn’t a real steadycam as I heard. Cause there weren’t two heads, two different separated systems, I can’t explain it in english, too bad I can’t speak in French right now…
A steadicam is a hand-held device that allows the user to “hold it steady” - it is not a fucking dolly.
the literature that comes with the steadicam says:
Steadicam Is Not Good For
Long duration lock off shots with longer focal length lenses.
…which describes the scene in Citizen Kane that you are speaking of.
[quote=“Kilgore Trout”]
A steadicam is a hand-held device that allows the user to “hold it steady” - it is not a fucking dolly.
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Very very true ! This is completly different !
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Is that the same steadycam as what we use now ? Cause they had similar system but wasn’t a real steadycam as I heard. Cause there weren’t two heads, two different separated systems, I can’t explain it in english, too bad I can’t speak in French right now…
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The point is it originated from Citizen Kane, not from The Shining.
[quote=“Biohazard”]
The point is it originated from Citizen Kane, not from The Shining.
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no- it wasn’t invented until Orson Welles had become a washed-out drunk. Orson Welles used a dolly. Stanley Kubrick used a Steadicam. Steadicam is a name-brand of a product - not a type of device.
The steady cam used in the Shining was like a new take on the camera (sicking the camera onto a moving devise). It was invented by some other dude, who Kubrick worked with, he liked it and then used it in The Shining.
Well it’s just an Orson Welles rip off used in a very cool way.
The shots on citizen kane required a small aperture - if you knew anything about photograpy you would know that a small aperture requires lots of light and a very slow shutter-speed. You couldn’t use a slow shutterspeed if you were using a hand-held device because there would be “camera-shake”. While the steadicam eliminates much of the “camera-shake”, it is still an inadequate device for shooting scenes that require a lot of depth-of-field. I would imagine that as technology increases in the realm of image-stabilization the dolly and the steadicam will be no longer necessary.
[quote=“Ify”]
The steady cam used in the Shining was like a new take on the camera (sicking the camera onto a moving devise). It was invented by some other dude, who Kubrick worked with, he liked it and then used it in The Shining.
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that “other dude” was Garret Brown.
[quote=“Kilgore Trout”]
that “other dude” was Garret Brown.
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nice.
I forget. But there is something about this in the documentary on The Shining DVD.
[quote=“Ify”]
I forget. But there is something about this in the documentary on The Shining DVD.
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They say precisely it’s the first time they fully use the steadycam with the inventor of the steadycam himself !
Right. The thing to remember is that Kubrick wasn’t the first guy to use the steadicam, but he was the first guy to realize all of the things that it is capable of. Kind of like: “David Gilmour isn’t the first guy to use effects with an electric guitar, but he is the first guy who realized how to completely utilize them.”
[quote=“Kilgore Trout”]
Right. The thing to remember is that Kubrick wasn’t the first guy to use the steadicam, but he was the first guy to realize all of the things that it is capable of. Kind of like: “David Gilmour isn’t the first guy to use effects with an electric guitar, but he is the first guy who realized how to completely utilize them.”
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Hahahahaha. ;D
I won’t get into what’s a real steadicam shot, blabla, this movie was made before Shining so before the real “birth” of steadicam shots. But I wanted to share this vid cause the movie is AWESOME, technically would be one of the best movie made in a Welles influence. Scorsese and Coppola saw it in 1993 cause it was forbidden till 1992 in the USA (you can read stuff about it on the net) and Scorsese said that if the movie has been seen in the sixties when it was originally released, it’d have changed the whole cinema hsitory.
So here you are, the movie is called I Am Cuba, or Soy Cuba. It’s one of the first opening scene after the opening credits, totally stunning :
http://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=GFrHPcKiXaQ
From wikipedia :
What most amazes cinephile audiences about this movie are the long takes (cf. the much later Russian Ark). Initially a three minute aerial shot of rural tropical landscape is disrupted by an infamous jumpcut to the top of a hotel building where a beauty contest is going on accompanied by raucous pop music. The camera, using a wide angle lens, moves among the contestants, goes out of the building, moves downwards for two stories into a club then circles around the bartenders. It then enters the pool and actually goes underwater, where the shot ends. In fact, the original scene went on for longer: the camera actually left the water (special submarine lenses cleaned off water droplets), but Kalatozov decided to cut this scene from the final movie. This scene was appropriated by Paul Thomas Anderson in his film Boogie Nights, when the camera is tracking around a pool, and then goes under water, and the sound changes, just like in I Am Cuba.
There is also a remarkable four minute scene of a slowly retreating long shot of a burning sugar cane field and house. This scene was later appropriated by Tarkovsky in The Sacrifice (1986).
In another scene, the camera follows a coffin between a crowded street. Then it stops and slowly moves upwards for at least four stories until it is filming the coffin from above a building. Without stopping it then starts panning sideways and enters through a window into a cigar factory, then goes straight towards a window where the cigar workers are watching the coffin. The camera finally passes through the window and, still following the court, appears to float over the street between the buildings. These shots were accomplished by assembling a line of technicians, and passing the camera down the line, from hand to hand.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Am_Cuba
The other scene they’re mentionning :
http://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=ayhC2q3A8bU
Stupid school comp won’t let me in to youtube, will watch when i get home.
You won’t be disappointed 
Holy crap, that last one. WHOA! It was like GOD was shooting the scene with a camera from heaven. 
Even the first scene, with the last part under water (this is not the original music though, but the original is close to that). It’s technically stunning.