No, that’s why it was the start of a bigger career. Bogart refused to play this role, but was convinced by Leslie Howard to appear in it. I think Bogart was at a crossroads and one bad film could have ended his sagging career. That’s why I said he was a late bloomer. There was a trace of humanity in this role though. He played it so different, the way he respects the elderly man, he lives by his own principles. He kills only when there is no other choice. He doesn’t kill just for fun, so that made him a likeable antagonist, and that’s always hard to pull off.
Thank god he took it.
There was something I did appreciate in the flick though as far as the writing and that was the way in which Leslie managed to make everyone in that little diner so dumb. Especially in his exchanges with Bogarts less than intellectual (something he played a lot in his career) Mantee.
If anything he had street smarts in most of his roles - primarily film noirs: (To Have And Have Not, Big Sleep, etc.) His most sophisticated role was in Casablanca as Rick, he became such an iconic figure with this film role alone, the end in particular where he lets go of Ilsa for a greater good, that really personified “good” in such a way that has never been shown in film.
It was so strange to see him in that movie being such a smart guy. Up to that point I’d seen a lot more of his street smart roles.
Hey which 30’s gangster picture (I’m sure it’s one of the more popular ones) did he play like some sort of second in command. Might have been the Roaring Twenties but fuck if I remember for sure.
Roaring Twenties with Cagney. I only saw about 20 minutes of this film a long time ago, I didn’t know what was going on since I caught it somewhere near the 2nd act so I changed the channel. I’ve seen him in more detective/PI type films like Marked Woman, Maltese Falcon, Big Sleep.
He’s also in Dark Victory as the stable man who trains and prepares horses for racing, he never really had a considerable amount of screen time with Bette. But in my opinion the best scene they’ve ever been in was in Marked Woman where Bogart reveals her sister was murdered by the mobster.
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Roaring Twenties with Cagney. I only saw about 20 minutes of this film a long time ago, I didn’t know what was going on since I caught it somewhere near the 2nd act so I changed the channel. I’ve seen him in more detective/PI type films like Marked Woman, Maltese Falcon, Big Sleep.
He’s also in Dark Victory as the stable man who trains and prepares horses for racing, he never really had a considerable amount of screen time with Bette. But in my opinion the best scene they’ve ever been in was in Marked Woman where Bogart reveals her sister was murdered by the mobster.
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So it was the Roaring Twenties. Thought so.
Marked Woman you say? Sounds so familiar, liked I caught it one day on TV a long ass time ago.
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Oh, damned if that doesn’t sound pretty fucking good. Don’t think I’ve seen it yet.
Did you like Pocketful of Miracles? The movie was alright but it was Bete that had me laughing the most.
Speaking of Davis and Bogart, has anyone seen “The Petrified Forest”? It’s pretty good. From your posts Bio, it seems that you like Bogart more than Cagney. I may be by myself about this, but I am a Cagney fan, so I like him more than Bogart.
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Speaking of Davis and Bogart, has anyone seen “The Petrified Forest”? It’s pretty good. From your posts Bio, it seems that you like Bogart more than Cagney. I may be by myself about this, but I am a Cagney fan, so I like him more than Bogart.
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BLASPHEMY!
I’m pretty sure me and Bette Bio have seen it, or the last half page of posting was really pointless. Liked it enough although it had it’s problems.
^ Oh I haven’t went through all of the posts, so didn’t know if you all talked about it. Now I seen where you all talked about it, sorry. :-[
So I guess I am on my own about Cagney, from the “Blasphemy”. 
I dig Cagney as much as the next fellow but Bogart is a pimp. Much like Bette Davis is a pimp. Since this is her topic I thought I’d throw that in.
Is Cagney a Pimp? Naw, he is a wiseguy. Well also a G-man, in “G-men”, but different story.
But I’m not bashing Bogart at all, love some of his films I’ve seen (Maltese Falcon, Angels with Dirty Faces, Casablanca, well because of Ingrid).
Wait, wasn’t Angels With Dirty Faces a Cagney picture?
I didn’t think you were. Just messing around. I really do dig on Cagney, Bogarts just the preference. Kind of like Coke to Pepsi.
Cagney’s picture, but Bogart was in it. Also please have Cagney as Coke, I don’t like Pepsi. 
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Cagney’s picture, but Bogart was in it. Also please have Cagney as Coke, I don’t like Pepsi.
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Gotcha. But that was a weird list, threw me off: Casablanca and Maltese Falcon, starring roles, Angels With Dirty Faces, wait was Bogart even in that fucking movie? Yes he was. I was starting to imagine Bogart taking that last mile at the end of the movie.
Fine. But Bogart gets to be Vanilla Coke. That sounds kinda good right now…
I’ve never seen a Cagney picture. The only Cagney picture I own is The Bride C.O.D. which I haven’t seen yet. Bogart had more range as an actor, I mean his role as Dobbs in Treasure Of The Sierra Madre is really one of the most uderrated performances ever, I think Walter Huston was the one who won the Academy Award for Best Supporting Actor.
^ Bio, you never seen The Public Enemy before? That was prob Cags most famous gangster picture. Also I think since people started to think Hollywood was making gangsters look fun and cool, they started making their movies with the stars playing cops, or what they called them, “G-Men” in which Cagney stars in that as well, a G-man. I perfer Cagney as a gangster in movies, but he played both sides well. Those two I think you should see if any.
I just saw The Bride came C.O.D. a few minutes ago and loved it. Those Epsteins can sure write movies I tells ya! I did like Cagney in it so I’ll be watching some of his films very soon. I’ll start with White Heat since that his most acclaimed picture. I’ve never laughed so much, it was a great comedy, who knew these serious acotrs could be this funny.
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^ Bio, you never seen The Public Enemy before? That was prob Cags most famous gangster picture. Also I think since people started to think Hollywood was making gangsters look fun and cool, they started making their movies with the stars playing cops, or what they called them, “G-Men” in which Cagney stars in that as well, a G-man. I perfer Cagney as a gangster in movies, but he played both sides well. Those two I think you should see if any.
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Nope, never seen Public Enemy. Been too busy watching some Bette Davis films lately. The odd thing is I’ve never actually had an affinity for any actor in particular until I saw “All About Eve”, and then I just wanted to see more of her and 17 films later I haven’t been disappointed by a single performance. She really is above the title, when you watch her films you are watching a Bette Davis film not from the guy who made it. She is the movie. Not many actresses can do that, come to think of it there really hasn’t been an actor who is above the title of the film. Except Quentin and Spielberg, oh and Tom Cruise (well he used to)
Hooking up my old VCR to see “Dangerous”. Hope the tape doesn’t get chewed up. I’ll probably record this on DVD and post it on youtube so the whole world can enjoy more of Bette.
Dangerous (1936) only 79 minutes long. Bette wins her first Academy Award as reconciliation for last year, when she got screwed out of winning for Bondage.
Woah, I just finished seeing “Dangerous”. It wasn’t a great film in particular, Bette was really the stand out performance, most of these actors or should I say all of these actors were “b actors” that weren’t in her league - so to speak. The only memorable scene here would be the one that takes place at the dinner table where she makes a mockery out of a man’s kissing. I can see why she fought to get better parts with better actors. Yeesh. Had mixed feelings about it, the writing and directing was pretty bad but bearable. It broke the awesome seventeen awesome film streak I had. oh, well not all of them can be winners. 
I just did something I never thought I would do. Which really isn’t all that strange just ironic that when you first mentioned it Bio it never occured to me that I would buy it.
Took a trip to Barnes and Noble today, pick up the latest Empire, maybe a cool movie book, when I spotted a book in the Biography section you mentioned. Dark Victory. Ended up buying it and started reading it today. We’ll see what we’ll see but so far it’s a damn good book and I’ve gotten a rekindled interest in this actress.