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Are QT's characters evil people?

Post by Holiday » Wed Oct 08, 2003 5:25 am

The question is simple enough....but think honestly. Can you think of any QT character that is a "good" person? Mr White? Mr Orange maybe.....Anyone from Pulp Fiction? Jackie Brown? I'm sure there are good people in there somewhere (in Jackie Brown especially) but could some of you give me a rundown of the good people in QT's? Movies? I'd really appreciate it.

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Re: Are QT's characters evil people?

Post by jkybrown3278 » Wed Oct 08, 2003 5:38 am

cool topic! I cant think of a single one in the written-directed by QT films.  I guess if you go back to True Romance you can find QTs "good" characters like Clarence's dad and Dick Ritchie those are the only innocents I can think of.

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Post by mysterio » Wed Oct 08, 2003 5:55 am

Butch wasn't neccesarily a bad person in PF; either was his girlfriend

Marvin Nash wasn't - either was the cop coaching Mr. Orange

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Re: Are QT's characters evil people?

Post by jkybrown3278 » Wed Oct 08, 2003 6:02 am

I guess it depends on what you call "good".  Butch associates with hitmen and takes money to rig a fight, his girlfriend is ok with it and goes on the run with him.   :-/ They're not exactly my idea of good people but they're not bad either because they dont intentionally try to hurt people but still...    it all depends on how we define good.

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Post by Puck » Wed Oct 08, 2003 6:05 am

Dick Ritchie seemed to be the most "good" character Tarantino ever wrote.  Maybe not the most interesting, but definitely the only one of QT's chars that probably doesn't deserve to die - hell, I'm pretty sure thats why QT spared him in the script, even though he had no intention of giving Clarence and Alabama a happy ending.

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Post by Ezekiel » Wed Oct 08, 2003 6:06 am

Alabama is a very strong character. Definitely not evil. What she goes through for Clarance in that scene is amazing. That`s pure devotion.

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Re: Are QT's characters evil people?

Post by Holiday » Wed Oct 08, 2003 6:30 am

Ok...I'll list a few characters, and you guys tell me evil (not meaning someone who is innocent....), or good (could be an essentially good person in a bad line of work....or whatever....), and give me an example or reason why...or whatever you feel cool with. Sound better?

Pulp Fiction:
Vincent Vega
Jules Winnfield
Mia Wallace
The Wolf
Butch Coolidge
Pumpkin
Honey Bunny
Marsellus Wallace

Reservoir Dogs:
Mr. Larry White
Mr. Orange/Freddy
Mr. Blonde/Vic Vega
Nice Guy Eddie
Mr. Pink
Joe Cabot
Mr. Brown
Marvin Nash

True Romance:
Clarence Worley
Alabama Worley
Clifford Worley
Drexl Spivey
Vincenzo Coccotti

Jackie Brown:
Jackie Brown
Ordell Robbie
Max Cherry
Melanie
Ray Nicolette
Louis Gara

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Re: Are QT's characters evil people?

Post by BadMotherFucker » Wed Oct 08, 2003 6:46 am

You guys have to admit, Drexl was good at heart. Sure, he did a couple of things that maybe you or i may not agree with, but he's got a good soul in him and he's trying his best to be good.

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Re: Are QT's characters evil people?

Post by Cherry_Licker » Wed Oct 08, 2003 8:26 am

its the way you look at it, in most movies Tarantino's "CHARACTER TYPES" (hitmen, killers, bank robbers, ect) are considered the BAD GUYS, but Tarantino made them REAL people (which they are) by making them talk like everyone else.

Pretend Pulp Fiction is real and the day after all that happened it was in the news.........we would think the persons who did what they did (killing Bret and his crew, the robbery, ect) were bad people cause they broke the law and were killers......the reason is because you would have never known them.....you don't know they were talking about HAmburgers, or Madonna, or who their favorite actor is.........cause your just reading a news report...and those are the types of stererostype movie characters that DON'T EXIST in Tarantino's films.

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Re: Are QT's characters evil people?

Post by Holiday » Wed Oct 08, 2003 4:02 pm

its the way you look at it, in most movies Tarantino's "CHARACTER TYPES" (hitmen, killers, bank robbers, ect) are considered the BAD GUYS, but Tarantino made them REAL people (which they are) by making them talk like everyone else.

Pretend Pulp Fiction is real and the day after all that happened it was in the news.........we would think the persons who did what they did (killing Bret and his crew, the robbery, ect) were bad people cause they broke the law and were killers......the reason is because you would have never known them.....you don't know they were talking about HAmburgers, or Madonna, or who their favorite actor is.........cause your just reading a news report...and those are the types of stererostype movie characters that DON'T EXIST in Tarantino's films.
That is a very good point. They are real people.

But, even so, they can be essentially good or evil, as with all real people.

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Re: Are QT's characters evil people?

Post by CPS » Tue Aug 10, 2004 12:48 am

The question is simple enough....but think honestly. Can you think of any QT character that is a "good" person? Mr White? Mr Orange maybe.....Anyone from Pulp Fiction? Jackie Brown? I'm sure there are good people in there somewhere (in Jackie Brown especially) but could some of you give me a rundown of the good people in QT's? Movies? I'd really appreciate it.


What does is mean to be good? I mean is it enough for a good person to try to  do the right things? Or do you mean a person who really act good.
Isn´t it the great thing that in a QT movie that people have both sites?
Even some "bad" people have good parts... Well okay start thinking about some of the guys, maybe not everyone...

I would be really curious which person you  would consider as a good or evil person in a QT movie.
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Re: Are QT's characters evil people?

Post by silentsean » Tue Aug 10, 2004 3:48 am

^ agreed. i think thats what QT is trying to say in his movies and remember he didnt write Jackie Brown, Elmore Leonard did as Rum Punch..

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Re: Are QT's characters evil people?

Post by Ify » Tue Aug 10, 2004 6:39 pm

David Carradine mentioned in an interview that Kill Bill doesn't have any good guys. That is how Tarantino's movies are. He doesn't have any good guys (Important characters in a film anyway, I mean you can't include the 'extra' in the diner in Pulp Fiction). In Kill Bill we are on the Bride's side, but she is really evil. We rate for evil characters to do their bidding. That is what makes QT's films interesting. He writes about evil people, but shows that all evil people have good in them.

Also, I would say that I can't wait for Be Cool but it has Andre 3000, Christina Milian and The Rock in, which puts me off a bit. However it does have Travolta, Thurman, De Vito, Gandolfini and Harvey Keitel in (4 of whom have appeared in a QT written film) so it would be an interesting prospect. But it isn't really a 'gangster' movie. i mean Chili Palmer tryng to break into the music industry is a bit off putting. "So I guess, we'll just see..... won't we?"
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Re: Are QT's characters evil people?

Post by Seth_Gecko » Tue Aug 10, 2004 7:34 pm

Interesting topic...

I dont really believe in good and evil people...unless someone has serieus mental problems...(mr blonde)

Its all based on genetics and enviroment that make a person who he is at every point in his life...all choices are made on this...so real free choice really doesnt excist imo...

but what QT is most interested in is showing people that face things in life that other people dont have to face...and I dont think that you should catogorize the people as evil...but the circumstances that they are in makes them decide between 2 evil choices...unless again the person has mental problems...
and those people are even more interesting to see in a movie...
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Re: Are QT's characters evil people?

Post by CPS » Tue Aug 10, 2004 10:07 pm

^ agreed. i think thats what QT is trying to say in his movies and remember he didnt write Jackie Brown, Elmore Leonard did as Rum Punch..

cant wait for Be Cool to come out anyone with me there?

Just read your post and your question about Be cool.
We have already an open topic about it:
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Re: Are QT's characters evil people?

Post by Holiday » Sun Aug 15, 2004 5:51 am

Interesting topic...

I dont really believe in good and evil people...unless someone has serieus mental problems...(mr blonde)

Its all based on genetics and enviroment that make a person who he is at every point in his life...all choices are made on this...so real free choice really doesnt excist imo...
You're on the right track...but a few steps off. We have choice in this world. It just so happens that the choices we make are determined by our genetics and (to a lesser degree) our environment. The idea of choice isn't changed; it still exists. It's just more complete. And with the genetic desire to make certain choices, we have the desire to A) Help, B) Cause harm (it's actually a bit deeper than that, but for the sake of this debate, I'll stick to those as the basic areas...unless you demand that I go in depth). The fact that someone genetically chooses to cause harm to others doesn't change the fact that said person is making the choice to harm others.

The only mental diseases that interfere with this (to my knowledge) choice are those that completely distort a persons view of reality (such as, said person believes he's swimming, while in fact he's killing someone.) It's, in a way, psychological retardation. With Mr. Blonde, we have a sociopath, someone who purposely distances himself from mankind. He knows the difference between right and wrong, and he simply doesn't care. He's pure evil.
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Re: Are QT's characters evil people?

Post by Seth_Gecko » Sun Aug 15, 2004 6:34 am


You're on the right track...but a few steps off. We have choice in this world. It just so happens that the choices we make are determined by our genetics and (to a lesser degree) our environment. The idea of choice isn't changed; it still exists. It's just more complete. And with the genetic desire to make certain choices, we have the desire to A) Help, B) Cause harm (it's actually a bit deeper than that, but for the sake of this debate, I'll stick to those as the basic areas...unless you demand that I go in depth). The fact that someone genetically chooses to cause harm to others doesn't change the fact that said person is making the choice to harm others.

The only mental diseases that interfere with this (to my knowledge) choice are those that completely distort a persons view of reality (such as, said person believes he's swimming, while in fact he's killing someone.) It's, in a way, psychological retardation. With Mr. Blonde, we have a sociopath, someone who purposely distances himself from mankind. He knows the difference between right and wrong, and he simply doesn't care. He's pure evil.

You're on the right track...but a few steps off.  :D

Everybody has his own reality in which he looks at the world, if a person thinks he is swimming but is actually killing someone, then that means for him that he IS just swimming!
And how does one determine what is really real? Only the individual mind can determine that within its limited human form.

Free choice doesnt excist, its just logical behaviour for someone...everything that person is in one moment in time determens which choices he 's making...he cant choose anything that doesnt seem logical to him. So making that choice isnt an option but a logical step and in a way determend! imo...like animals behave....for instance a cat...he doesnt have free choice, he acts on what he IS, and does and doesnt make real choices...just everytime the logical next step...I see humans in the same way, just with an expanded package of impulses in the brain.

Have you read Schopenhauer? He talks about this....really mindblowing stuff!
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Re: Are QT's characters evil people?

Post by Holiday » Sun Aug 15, 2004 7:35 am

No I haven't. I came upon these thoughts myself through various studies of genetics, sociology, psychoanalytics, philosophy, science and mathematics.

In any event, when I spoke about the insane person "swimming," it was my assertion that the situation was hypothetical, and, outside of that, based upon the world I percieve. As we experience, we, using our logic, can reason that there is a cause to our experiences that mirrors that which we are experiencing. Example: I percieve that I am shot and killed, thus the cause of the perception must be in continuital relavence to that which has occured in my reality.

And as logic goes in humans, everyone to some degree uses logic. The difference between animals and humans is that our ends to the logical means aren't always logical. We sometimes manipulate logic to fit our values and morals (the desired outcomes which are caused by the reciptivity of ideas to our genetic patterns). Every action a human being does is to benefit himself, be that morally, spiritually, emotionally, financially, physically, psychologically...etc. Good actions are those that we do for ourselves that benefit others (or that take others into concern). Evil actions are those actions we do to benefit ourselves that hurt others (or otherwise disregard the being of others). Due to our predetermined genetic construction, we wish to do one or the other. We may not individually have a choice in what we want to do, but that doesn't change the fact of what we want to do.

In essence, the fact that it's not free will doesn't make it anyless will.
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Re: Are QT's characters evil people?

Post by CPS » Sun Aug 15, 2004 1:46 pm

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Can you hook me up with some more information?
Afaik it was Schopenhauer how said: "Ding an sich aber ist allein der Wille!" = Which means that the base is the free will and it was Kant who said, that we understand things not like they are, but like we see them.
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Re: Are QT's characters evil people?

Post by Holiday » Sun Aug 15, 2004 6:46 pm

Kant also said that while we cannot know the roots of our experiences, we can reason that they have a cause that, (while we cannot experience and know first hand), we can surmise and know through rationality.

If you so wish, Hume took a more pessimistic side to the arguement, saying that there is no basis for understanding the roots of our experiences, and that they are just loosely connected occurences.

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Re: Are QT's characters evil people?

Post by Seth_Gecko » Sun Aug 15, 2004 10:44 pm

@ Tarantino is god:

Can you hook me up with some more information?
Afaik it was Schopenhauer how said: "Ding an sich aber ist allein der Wille!" = Which means that the base is the free will and it was Kant who said, that we understand things not like they are, but like we see them.
Yes, well schopenhauers theory is based a lot on Kant's, imo he perfected/corrected it more...

Schopenhauer takes kants theory and talks about object and subject: one cant excist without the other.
And says that everything is just Vorstellung, even your own body...but your mind is what makes the subject and is dependent on your body but also limited by it.
We are all limited to our senses...like a cat is more limited in some ways then we are and more advanced in other ways...we are also just humans with a certain package with which we sense the world around us. We cant even tell if it is real what is happening around us, for all we know its all a dream.

Schopenhauer then comes to the conclusion that the body is controlled by the will...and so are our actions.

It's kinda hard for me to take this serieus stuff, where a great man thought about, and just make a summary of it...you best look some stuff up on the internet, preferebly in german! because some words used cant be translated into english, because the german language is much more richer than the english language...
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Re: Are QT's characters evil people?

Post by Seth_Gecko » Sun Aug 15, 2004 10:55 pm

No I haven't. I came upon these thoughts myself through various studies of genetics, sociology, psychoanalytics, philosophy, science and mathematics.

In any event, when I spoke about the insane person "swimming," it was my assertion that the situation was hypothetical, and, outside of that, based upon the world I percieve. As we experience, we, using our logic, can reason that there is a cause to our experiences that mirrors that which we are experiencing. Example: I percieve that I am shot and killed, thus the cause of the perception must be in continuital relavence to that which has occured in my reality.

And as logic goes in humans, everyone to some degree uses logic. The difference between animals and humans is that our ends to the logical means aren't always logical. We sometimes manipulate logic to fit our values and morals (the desired outcomes which are caused by the reciptivity of ideas to our genetic patterns). Every action a human being does is to benefit himself, be that morally, spiritually, emotionally, financially, physically, psychologically...etc. Good actions are those that we do for ourselves that benefit others (or that take others into concern). Evil actions are those actions we do to benefit ourselves that hurt others (or otherwise disregard the being of others). Due to our predetermined genetic construction, we wish to do one or the other. We may not individually have a choice in what we want to do, but that doesn't change the fact of what we want to do.

In essence, the fact that it's not free will doesn't make it anyless will.

I agree...will plays a big part in how humans act.  But will is often confused with free choice in my opinion.
To stay on the subject: mr. blonde for instance, his will drives him to do these psychotic things, but people still wonder why he chooces to be so evil!
While in fact the only thing that drives him is his formed will, not his rational thought. And if this rational thought did control it, its still based on every impulse he got from his time in his mothers whome till one moment in time.
So if you make choices, then this is purely based on will, which is based on who you are in time at that moment.
The decision you make is called in terms of language choice, and I think that is correct, but I think that that choice can never be a free one, because he makes that desicion on who he is.

What do you think?
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Re: Are QT's characters evil people?

Post by Holiday » Mon Aug 16, 2004 2:05 am

because the german language is much more richer than the english language...
Gee...thanks... :P


I agree...will plays a big part in how humans act.  But will is often confused with free choice in my opinion.
To stay on the subject: mr. blonde for instance, his will drives him to do these psychotic things, but people still wonder why he chooces to be so evil!
While in fact the only thing that drives him is his formed will, not his rational thought. And if this rational thought did control it, its still based on every impulse he got from his time in his mothers whome till one moment in time.
So if you make choices, then this is purely based on will, which is based on who you are in time at that moment.
The decision you make is called in terms of language choice, and I think that is correct, but I think that that choice can never be a free one, because he makes that desicion on who he is.

What do you think?
Well, you know what I think...but I'll write it again (you're a native German speaker, no? Sorry...I'll try not to use so many unusual English words this time):

1) Free choice is a misconception. We can choose from different things, but due to our genetic structuring, we may only choose one thing.

2) Human beings use morality to rationalize and use rationalization to protect their morals. Mr. Blonde (or many other iconic screen villains, for that matter) desire to cause harm to other people. They are sadists, they are sociopaths (meaning they wish to distance themselves from mankind), and they are evil. They are not insane, for insanity is the complete inability to use or have rational thought. Insanity, like free will, is an illusion...a misconception, if you will. People born with the desire to harm other people may have reason, and use that reason to justify their actions, or they may use reason to plan them, or they may make the conscious decision to reject reason on the basis that they'd prefer not to use it (in a sense, using reason to remove reason).

3) And again, no one chooses who they are. It's impossible to do that. All we can do is come to grips with our genetically created personalities and use them A) to benefit others, or B) to harm others. If a person, due to genetic inclination (or any other means) has the will to cause harm to others, he still has the WILL to cause harm to others. The fact that he didn't create himself is irrelavent. He wouldn't have it any other way.
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Re: Are QT's characters evil people?

Post by Seth_Gecko » Mon Aug 16, 2004 5:42 am


Gee...thanks... :P


Well, you know what I think...but I'll write it again (you're a native German speaker, no? Sorry...I'll try not to use so many unusual English words this time):

1) Free choice is a misconception. We can choose from different things, but due to our genetic structuring, we may only choose one thing.

2) Human beings use morality to rationalize and use rationalization to protect their morals. Mr. Blonde (or many other iconic screen villains, for that matter) desire to cause harm to other people. They are sadists, they are sociopaths (meaning they wish to distance themselves from mankind), and they are evil. They are not insane, for insanity is the complete inability to use or have rational thought. Insanity, like free will, is an illusion...a misconception, if you will. People born with the desire to harm other people may have reason, and use that reason to justify their actions, or they may use reason to plan them, or they may make the conscious decision to reject reason on the basis that they'd prefer not to use it (in a sense, using reason to remove reason).

3) And again, no one chooses who they are. It's impossible to do that. All we can do is come to grips with our genetically created personalities and use them A) to benefit others, or B) to harm others. If a person, due to genetic inclination (or any other means) has the will to cause harm to others, he still has the WILL to cause harm to others. The fact that he didn't create himself is irrelavent. He wouldn't have it any other way.
Lol...its really true that the german language is richer than the english language when it comes to philosophical stuff!
Translaters have big troubles to translate works from german to english, because they dont have the right words to use in their translation! I'm not bashing english! lol...I like the english language more than german...I'm from Holland btw...

1) I agree...

2) uhuh...do you think that they make the choice to be evil? or just because of who they are, just behave like they are...and that so happens to be called "evil" by the majority of people?

3) Could you say then that somebody who steals or or murders or commits other harm to society that they actually cant be blamed for it? But rather the system that they are living in creates the enviroment for them which stimulates these impulses, and then leads them to doing things (making choices) that they, would they be in an other system/enviroment wouldnt do?

>>> I'm not trying to win any discussion or anthing or trying tricks like degrading your intelligence...just really interested on what you think, so I can filter my own thoughts...
My english is (sometimes) a bit clumsy, but thats because it aint my first language...but that doesn mean I dont understand or have a low IQ or anything lol...so you really dont have to adjust your expression for me..lol...again I read a lot in english... ;)
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Re: Are QT's characters evil people?

Post by Holiday » Mon Aug 16, 2004 6:35 am


Lol...its really true that the german language is richer than the english language when it comes to philosophical stuff!
Translaters have big troubles to translate works from german to english, because they dont have the right words to use in their translation! I'm not bashing english! lol...I like the english language more than german...I'm from Holland btw...

1) I agree...

2) uhuh...do you think that they make the choice to be evil? or just because of who they are, just behave like they are...and that so happens to be called "evil" by the majority of people?

3) Could you say then that somebody who steals or or murders or commits other harm to society that they actually cant be blamed for it? But rather the system that they are living in creates the enviroment for them which stimulates these impulses, and then leads them to doing things (making choices) that they, would they be in an other system/enviroment wouldnt do?

>>> I'm not trying to win any discussion or anthing or trying tricks like degrading your intelligence...just really interested on what you think, so I can filter my own thoughts...
My english is (sometimes) a bit clumsy, but thats because it aint my first language...but that doesn mean I dont understand or have a low IQ or anything lol...so you really dont have to adjust your expression for me..lol...again I read a lot in english... ;)
Alright...let's see here...

2) I don't think that they choose their personality, that'd be impossible. I also don't believe in majority rule (in morality, that'd be). If something's right, it isn't because people believe it to be right, but becuase there's factual or rational backing for it. In the case of evil, an evil action is one that causes harm to others. An evil person is one that is ruled by the desire to cause harm to others, and thusly rules their life with the desire to cause harm. This, of course, originates genetically, much like anything else.

3) The system doesn't trigger things that weren't meant to be triggered. What I mean by this is that it isn't society that causes evil or evil action (per se), it's the genetic desire to solve problems (or create them, as the case may be) through violence. Everyone acts in a different sitaution in different ways. Situations aren't the root of evil, though...they're merely an arena in which true intentions can be viewed. Surely society conditions people for violence and evil actions, but every time any form of conditioning happens, or any idea is presented, the human mind has the ability to accept or reject it. It just depends upon the genetic makeup.

And sorry if I came off as patronizing as far as the language goes. I didn't mean to be...it just so happens that most English speaking people I know wouldn't fully understand what I'm saying, and I personally know that I sure as hell wouldn't be able to understand me in another language. But if you're cool with what I've said (or rather, how I've said it) thus far, I am too.

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Re: Are QT's characters evil people?

Post by Johny_Exhale » Wed Aug 18, 2004 5:37 pm

Butch and Clarence aren't evil characters, they converted into evil characters throughout the movie cause of the situations they were in

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Re: Are QT's characters evil people?

Post by Holiday » Thu Aug 19, 2004 1:48 am

That's sort of what I think. I believe they're good people put in bad situations...in QT's movies, he shows us how a good person can still uphold good even in evil circumstances or in an evil profession...i.e. Butch, Jules, The Bride, Jackie Brown, Mr. White...all good guys in bad guy roles. Everything hinges upon how they react in the situations they're presented with.

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Re: Are QT's characters evil people?

Post by Seth_Gecko » Thu Aug 19, 2004 3:29 am


Alright...let's see here...

2) I don't think that they choose their personality, that'd be impossible. I also don't believe in majority rule (in morality, that'd be). If something's right, it isn't because people believe it to be right, but becuase there's factual or rational backing for it. In the case of evil, an evil action is one that causes harm to others. An evil person is one that is ruled by the desire to cause harm to others, and thusly rules their life with the desire to cause harm. This, of course, originates genetically, much like anything else.

3) The system doesn't trigger things that weren't meant to be triggered. What I mean by this is that it isn't society that causes evil or evil action (per se), it's the genetic desire to solve problems (or create them, as the case may be) through violence. Everyone acts in a different sitaution in different ways. Situations aren't the root of evil, though...they're merely an arena in which true intentions can be viewed. Surely society conditions people for violence and evil actions, but every time any form of conditioning happens, or any idea is presented, the human mind has the ability to accept or reject it. It just depends upon the genetic makeup.

And sorry if I came off as patronizing as far as the language goes. I didn't mean to be...it just so happens that most English speaking people I know wouldn't fully understand what I'm saying, and I personally know that I sure as hell wouldn't be able to understand me in another language. But if you're cool with what I've said (or rather, how I've said it) thus far, I am too.
I believe that its culture that decides what's good and whats evil...things that are considered good in one point in time are considered evil 100 years later.
For instance, murder was the normal thing to do a couple of centuaries back when somebody had brought you or your family shame...

I agree that feelings for violence, hate and rage, etc originate genetically...but if you live in a society or system where there isnt much violence or tendensy to violence, these feelings arent triggered. I believe that if you trigger certain feelings a lot...like anger that person can easily be angered...if ou live in a society where murder is a normal thing to do it isnt considered evil...
I believe that if you change the system a person lives in, like eliminating as much violence as possible by whatever means that passiveness becomes normal and violence isnt triggered by individual persons...its utopia I know...but do you think that violence would seize to excist if people wouldnt be subjected to it by lets say 10.000 years....so babies growing up in a world where violence doesnt excists and doesnt get triggered...??

Cool man, just like discussing these things  8)
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Holiday

Re: Are QT's characters evil people?

Post by Holiday » Thu Aug 19, 2004 4:59 am

It'd be a different story if it were possible that there be 10,000 years where people weren't exposed to things. Evil has a way of creeping up in different situations. Hatred, jealousy, fear and ignorance will live forever, whether or not people are exposed to violence or not. This things are those that trigger violence in the first place in people...the idea that one must hurt someone else for gratification of some sort. This basic evil (which transcends society, by the way) is eternal, and shall always be as long as we have different personalities.

Also, the definition of good and evil is constant, but society is constantly changing it's laws in the hopes of supressing evil.

LetsGoToWork

Re: Are QT's characters evil people?

Post by LetsGoToWork » Fri Sep 24, 2004 7:41 pm

Mind blowing these topics here can get,
I don't think that they choose their personality, that'd be impossible. I also don't believe in majority rule (in morality, that'd be). If something's right, it isn't because people believe it to be right, but becuase there's factual or rational backing for it. In the case of evil, an evil action is one that causes harm to others. An evil person is one that is ruled by the desire to cause harm to others, and thusly rules their life with the desire to cause harm. This, of course, originates genetically, much like anything else.
You know its funny if you'd have said this some 30 years ago you would have been hanged in public. Back in those days evil actions were considert the result of wrong nurture. And now almost everything we do is result to our genetics. Maybe in 10-20 years this idea will be out dated too. But then again almost everything we learn at school now will be out dated in ten years.

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