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Rodriguez writing to Frank Miller

Post by Nemedy » Tue May 26, 2009 2:16 pm

Dunno if it's true, it was posted here: http://drownyourself.com/?p=253


Hey Frank, Bob here, but I guess you kinda gathered that from the return address… he he he, I wonder why people even bother to introduce themselves in letters. You know. It’s like, the address is right there. DOY. But maybe it’s just one of those things… right… right, right… well Frank, obviously I did not write to you to discuss the details of epistolary manners. I actually want to talk to you about something, and, seeing as you know how shy I get in real life, I thought it would be best if I wrote down all of my thoughts on a piece of paper. So here it is…  Frank… if you will continue to do this, the people will catch on.

Alright? I know we had a deal, and I am happy my gold fish survived unharmed, and I know you even fed them while they stayed with you, and I am not here to complain about that, god no! You got your shared directing credit for Sin City and I will never take it from you, nor do I want to… a gentleman’s agreement is a gentleman’s agreement and you delivered on your part, so once again, this is not about that. But, and please correct me if I misunderstood it somehow… I was under the impression that we will keep this little “exchangeâ€

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Re: Rodriguez writing to Frank Miller

Post by Lt. BioBasterd » Tue May 26, 2009 2:38 pm

FAKE.

Who says "Doy"?!
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Re: Rodriguez writing to Frank Miller

Post by Cyd » Tue May 26, 2009 2:58 pm

Robert is not referred to as BOB!

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Re: Rodriguez writing to Frank Miller

Post by Glaurung » Tue May 26, 2009 4:13 pm

I'm not sure if this letter is even pretending to be true. It's obviously just a joke written by your blogger.

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Re: Rodriguez writing to Frank Miller

Post by Ordell Rodriguez » Tue May 26, 2009 8:49 pm

Obviously fake but the idea is kind of funny to me. A director telling somebody to not direct because they suck at it might be mean but the honest truth is he probably shouldn't be directing anything.
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Re: Rodriguez writing to Frank Miller

Post by Ify » Tue May 26, 2009 9:04 pm

I stopped reading half way through. So obviously fake.  >:(
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Re: Rodriguez writing to Frank Miller

Post by Dex » Tue May 26, 2009 9:38 pm

I stopped reading at Bob. If Frank Miller ever directs something again it should be his own work. But I think his only original material is Sin City so... yeah I guess he should just stick to shadowing Rodriguez or um.. writing comic books. Maybe he's learned his lesson and can get back to delivering us the Propaganda masterpiece that will be Batman vs Al Qaeda.
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Re: Rodriguez writing to Frank Miller

Post by Ordell Rodriguez » Tue May 26, 2009 9:50 pm

Dex wrote: I stopped reading at Bob. If Frank Miller ever directs something again it should be his own work. But I think his only original material is Sin City so... yeah I guess he should just stick to shadowing Rodriguez or um.. writing comic books. Maybe he's learned his lesson and can get back to delivering us the Propaganda masterpiece that will be Batman vs Al Qaeda.
God forbid he had done Sin City without Robert Rodriguez! Fake or not that "letter" up there really is right about him having a talent for one thing and not for another. Directing.
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Re: Rodriguez writing to Frank Miller

Post by Glaurung » Tue May 26, 2009 10:20 pm

Oh cmon The Spirit wasn't that bad... It's not a classic movie but I enjoyed it. You can't say he suck at directing after only one movie. There is worst out there...  I watched some pretty lame movies this year, and Frank is better than some. Seriously, I wasn't expecting anything from The Spirit so I was not disapointed. Maybe you guys are fan of the comic?

It seems to me that drawing comic and directing movies can come to be pretty close. It's just like a storyboard. No?

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Post by Lt. BioBasterd » Tue May 26, 2009 10:29 pm

Yeah but the structural components may be faulty. A great example would be the novelist Raymond Chandler who co -wrote Double Indemnity with Billy Wilder, both of them hated each other, but they needed one another. Billy Wilder was the filmmaker, so he knew how to structure a great cinematic story, while Raymond Chandler knew nothing of that sort and helped mostly with the dialogue. My point is, each artist has their own artistic calling in whatever  line of work they do. Frank Miller may be a good graphic novel writer and illustrator, but he may very well lack the ability to adapt that novel into film, which is a completely different medium. Robert Rodriguez is a natural born filmmaker, that is why Sin City was such a success - and keep in mind there were various novel volumes that were squeezed into one film. The structure alone of Sin City proves the difference between a graphic novel creator and a good filmmaker that knows his shit.
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Re: Rodriguez writing to Frank Miller

Post by Ordell Rodriguez » Tue May 26, 2009 11:27 pm

Glaurung wrote: Oh cmon The Spirit wasn't that bad... It's not a classic movie but I enjoyed it. You can't say he suck at directing after only one movie. There is worst out there...  I watched some pretty lame movies this year, and Frank is better than some. Seriously, I wasn't expecting anything from The Spirit so I was not disapointed. Maybe you guys are fan of the comic?
It seems to me that drawing comic and directing movies can come to be pretty close. It's just like a storyboard. No?
I just didn't feel it had alot of the things that are the basic framework that make a movie work. Just my opinion, Frank Miller isn't much of a filmmaker.
Lt. BioBasterd wrote: Yeah but the structural components may be faulty. A great example would be the novelist Raymond Chandler who co -wrote Double Indemnity with Billy Wilder, both of them hated each other, but they needed one another. Billy Wilder was the filmmaker, so he knew how to structure a great cinematic story, while Raymond Chandler knew nothing of that sort and helped mostly with the dialogue. My point is, each artist has their own artistic calling in whatever  line of work they do. Frank Miller may be a good graphic novel writer and illustrator, but he may very well lack the ability to adapt that novel into film, which is a completely different medium. Robert Rodriguez is a natural born filmmaker, that is why Sin City was such a success - and keep in mind there were various novel volumes that were squeezed into one film. The structure alone of Sin City proves the difference between a graphic novel creator and a good filmmaker that knows his shit.
Double Indemnity really is your go to movie now. That's awesome, I loved the flick and even saw it again this morning when I couldn't go back to sleep. Once again, thanks.
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Post by Lt. BioBasterd » Tue May 26, 2009 11:36 pm

I still have to buy it! I rented the film from Hollywood video, I was getting into my noir infatuation after watching The Maltese Falcon, and I saw Barbara Stanwyck starred in it as well, I've seen some other Fred McMurray flicks, but they're all family pictures - so none of them really interested me. I ordered more Bette Davis films, cuz there are just so many great films she made, and I have to see them all! I haven't been disappointed by any of her films as of late. The next films on my list are Now, Voyager, and The Star. After Davis, I'm going to look up more films on William Wyler and Barbara Stanwyck. From there, who knows what I'll like next, but that's my list. Maybe I'll see some Cary Grant flicks, he was so great in North By NorthWest. Oh, I just ordered Grand Hotel too. Joan Crawford is in it - so I'm all for it!
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Re: Rodriguez writing to Frank Miller

Post by Ordell Rodriguez » Tue May 26, 2009 11:44 pm

I didn't really like The Maltese Falcon, it wasn't until I went on to things like The Big Sleep that I really started liking the noir films, even going so far as to buy a few of the "classics" including Double Indemnity which I didn't even bother opening until you mentioned it.

I actually just started into Bette Davis career with Hush... Hush, Sweet Charlotte. I've been on a blaxploitation binge for a while (Bucktown, Friday Foster, Black Caesar, Hammer, jesus there a lot of them, I'm just happy almost all of them were really good) and decided to check out a few of her flicks while I take some time off before going back to my niggs.
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Haha. I've seen the old version of The Big Sleep. I loved Lauren Bacall in the film and she can sing too! I always admire that from an actress if they can sing and act they are great - no questions asked! I think William Faulkner wrote the script with Hawks right? I mean William Faulkner himself writing a screenplay - those really were the golden ages.
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LT. Ordell Rodriguez wrote: I didn't really like The Maltese Falcon, it wasn't until I went on to things like The Big Sleep that I really started liking the noir films, even going so far as to buy a few of the "classics" including Double Indemnity which I didn't even bother opening until you mentioned it.

I actually just started into Bette Davis career with Hush... Hush, Sweet Charlotte. I've been on a blaxploitation binge for a while (Bucktown, Friday Foster, Black Caesar, Hammer, jesus there a lot of them, I'm just happy almost all of them were really good) and decided to check out a few of her flicks while I take some time off before going back to my niggs.
The first Bette Davis film I saw was "All About Eve" on TCM - I think it was Rose McGowan who introduced it - wasn't it?! I remember Robert Osbourne talking about the film with her and then they played the Lana Turner movie with Garfield The Postman Always Rings Twice. That was when I first saw it, I immidiately ordered the film and loved it. Until now I'm really going back to it and the rest of her films, I think today's cinema is utter crap - with a few exceptions of course. These films were so true to their characters and they were intelligent films made with real craftsmanship. But you have to see All About Eve, if you love the film there is no doubt you will like most of her films.
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Re: Rodriguez writing to Frank Miller

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Lt. BioBasterd wrote: Haha. I've seen the old version of The Big Sleep. I loved Lauren Bacall in the film and she can sing too! I always admire that from an actress if they can sing and act they are great - no questions asked! I think William Faulkner wrote the script with Hawks right? I mean William Faulkner himself writing a screenplay - those really were the golden ages.
There were a few writers on the movie but he was one of them. Those were the gold ages man, now your making me all melancholy and shit (would that apply?). Like in Barton Fink, they tried to "class the place up" with novelists and playwrights, to various effects.
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Re: Rodriguez writing to Frank Miller

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Lt. BioBasterd wrote: The first Bette Davis film I saw was "All About Eve" on TCM - I think it was Rose McGowan who introduced it - wasn't it?! I remember Robert Osbourne talking about the film with her and then they played the Lana Turner movie with Garfield The Postman Always Rings Twice. That was when I first saw it, I immidiately ordered the film and loved it. Until now I'm really going back to it and the rest of her films, I think today's cinema is utter crap - with a few exceptions of course. These films were so true to their characters and they were intelligent films made with real craftsmanship. But you have to see All About Eve, if you love the film there is no doubt you will like most of her films.
If it's good I'll probably like it. Although it bothers the hell outta me that Rose McGowan is the one introducing all these fantastic movies. But whatever, at least Robert Osbourne is still there!

You know what?, I have the postman always rings twice lying around unopened. Surprise surprise. I know what I'm doing tonight...

I'm pretty sure the golden age is one of my favorite movie periods of all time. A few more flicks and I'll be sure but there are so many that I've loved from then it's hard to love the period they were made in as well. They all looked so, gorgeous, even at their worst.
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Well there still are a few modern filmmakers with that same integrity - I mean they are the few, but still - every two years or so we get a classic from them. Guys like The Coens, PT, Quentin, etc. I don't know much about blaxploitation though, I haven't fully indulged in exploitation cinema - I mean I've seen my share of horror films, especially zombie films, but no exploitation films.

The Big Sleep was a very important film for Lauren Bacall, I think her career was in danger and they actually reshot some scenes, I haven't seen the late version of the film but I liked the original. I like how Marlowe always takes all the guns, you can see where Robert Towne got his ideas to craft Chinatown.
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Re: Rodriguez writing to Frank Miller

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Have you seen the remake of The Postman Always Rings Twice? It was an 80's flick with Jack Nicholson. Sounds like the Breathless remake.
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LT. Ordell Rodriguez wrote: If it's good I'll probably like it. Although it bothers the hell outta me that Rose McGowan is the one introducing all these fantastic movies. But whatever, at least Robert Osbourne is still there!

You know what?, I have the postman always rings twice lying around unopened. Surprise surprise. I know what I'm doing tonight...

I'm pretty sure the golden age is one of my favorite movie periods of all time. A few more flicks and I'll be sure but there are so many that I've loved from then it's hard to love the period they were made in as well. They all looked so, gorgeous, even at their worst.
Rose McGowan did the show for a week! It was like four to five months ago. Damn you have all these unopened classics!

Another obscure flick that you should check out is "Rain" - a Joan Crawford film she did for the Warner Brothers. Now it starts off a little boring but after Joan makes her first appearence you'll be glued to your seat. Walter Huston's performance was a little too rigid - I guess that's the only thing I hated about the film. But other than that you'll go insane after it ends. Seriously, you're going to rewind the film and see that scene again.
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Lt. BioBasterd wrote: Well there still are a few modern filmmakers with that same integrity - I mean they are the few, but still - every two years or so we get a classic from them. Guys like The Coens, PT, Quentin, etc. I don't know much about blaxploitation though, I haven't fully indulged in exploitation cinema - I mean I've seen my share of horror films, especially zombie films, but no exploitation films.
The Big Sleep was a very important film for Lauren Bacall, I think her career was in danger and they actually reshot some scenes, I haven't seen the late version of the film but I liked the original. I like how Marlowe always takes all the guns, you can see where Robert Towne got his ideas to craft Chinatown.
You should totally check out the better blaxploitation movies, they're great fun. Alot of the exploitation I could care for just because they really aren't very good but it's worth going through the shit to find the real gems.

There was a whole fucking thing with the Big Sleep. I don't know alot about it just that there was alot of stuff reshot and the release was delayed by the studio.
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LT. Ordell Rodriguez wrote: Have you seen the remake of The Postman Always Rings Twice? It was an 80's flick with Jack Nicholson. Sounds like the Breathless remake.
I usually stay away from remakes of that sort, I think it can ruin the integrity of the original. They also remade Double indemnity in the 70s, it's on the 2-disc special edition, it depends what DVD you own. I saw the opning scene and it fucking sucked. To remake a classic is a definite crime. If the shit works as is with these fantastic and legendary actors, why fuck with it?
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Re: Rodriguez writing to Frank Miller

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Lt. BioBasterd wrote: Rose McGowan did the show for a week! It was like four to five months ago. Damn you have all these unopened classics!

Another obscure flick that you should check out is "Rain" - a Joan Crawford film she did for the Warner Brothers. Now it starts off a little boring but after Joan makes her first appearence you'll be glued to your seat. Walter Huston's performance was a little too rigid - I guess that's the only thing I hated about the film. But other than that you'll go insane after it ends. Seriously, you're going to rewind the film and see that scene again.
Just those noir films I bought then ended up forgetting about when I moved on to something else.

AND RAIN! I've seen that movie, I really dug it! Joan Crawford is so great. I'm pretty sure I saw it on TCM actually.

Are you one of those people who watches that channel alot? I know it's my goto channel whenever I got time to kill or have nothing to do. Love it.
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Re: Rodriguez writing to Frank Miller

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Lt. BioBasterd wrote: I usually stay away from remakes of that sort, I think it can ruin the integrity of the original. They also remade Double indemnity in the 70s, it's on the 2-disc special edition, it depends what DVD you own. I saw the opning scene and it fucking sucked. To remake a classic is a definite crime. If the shit works as is with these fantastic and legendary actors, why fuck with it?
I'd agree with that one hundred percent if I wasn't such a fan of Breathless. And the original is still there when I get back to it.
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LT. Ordell Rodriguez wrote: You should totally check out the better blaxploitation movies, they're great fun. Alot of the exploitation I could care for just because they really aren't very good but it's worth going through the shit to find the real gems.

There was a whole fucking thing with the Big Sleep. I don't know alot about it just that there was alot of stuff reshot and the release was delayed by the studio.

I think the most prominent ones were written and directed by Jack Hill, and most of them were Pam Grier vehicles. I've caught glimpses of a few, but to be honest they never fully attracted me, I felt they were a bit shoddy in the structure, it's sort of like saying: "Nevermind the movie, but just sit through it until this and that happens" - and I don't like that, I want a film to grab me from the opening to the very end. Like "Jezebel" had that, it's like a novella from an extinct period where all these  pre-Civil War customs existed in the south, and how they were slowly eradicated by the imminent war against the North. The film dealt with so many interesting aspects and beyond that there's excellent direction by William Wyler. I like how he begins most of his film with track shots, I love the opening in Jezebel and The Letter.
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Lt. BioBasterd wrote:
I think the most prominent ones were written and directed by Jack Hill, and most of them were Pam Grier vehicles. I've caught glimpses of a few, but to be honest they never fully attracted me, I felt they were a bit shoddy in the structure, it's sort of like saying: "Nevermind the movie, but just sit through it until this and that happens" - and I don't like that, I want a film to grab me from the opening to the very end. Like "Jezebel" had that, it's like a novella from an extinct period where all these  pre-Civil War customs existed in the south, and how they were slowly eradicated by the imminent war against the North. The film dealt with so many interesting aspects and beyond that there's excellent direction by William Wyler. I like how he begins most of his film with track shots, I love the opening in Jezebel and The Letter.
I agree with that, I guess it's just about the viewer.

I know I saw The Letter on TCM and really dug it. Jezebel I have on my Netflix queue. I actually looked it up when you put it as your banner. "If somebody likes it that much..." kinda thing.
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LT. Ordell Rodriguez wrote: Just those noir films I bought then ended up forgetting about when I moved on to something else.

AND RAIN! I've seen that movie, I really dug it! Joan Crawford is so great. I'm pretty sure I saw it on TCM actually.

Are you one of those people who watches that channel alot? I know it's my goto channel whenever I got time to kill or have nothing to do. Love it.
Yeah, I mean free classic movies and introductions and interviews with Elvis Mitchell, how can any other station surpass that. Well since you've seen Rain (SPOILER) - that ending made me laugh so hard! I just couldn't believe it! After all this salvation crap the guy goes in there and fucks her. That's the kind of sardonic humor that John Huston used in most of his movies, I mean the payoff is so beyond absurd -but in a good way, you just didn't see it coming.
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LT. Ordell Rodriguez wrote: I agree with that, I guess it's just about the viewer.

I know I saw The Letter on TCM and really dug it. Jezebel I have on my Netflix queue. I actually looked it up when you put it as your banner. "If somebody likes it that much..." kinda thing.
I won't spoil it for you. But one thing you will remember and love about Jezebel - will be the great soundtrack by Max Steiner. By the Steiner/Wyler collaboration on the musical score in the fucking 30s! Will just show you how ahead William Wyler was of his time. I bought the soundtrack on amazon, and I listen to it all the time, it's so great.
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Lt. BioBasterd wrote: I won't spoil it for you. But one thing you will remember and love about Jezebel - will be the great soundtrack by Max Steiner. By the Steiner/Wyler collaboration on the musical score in the fucking 30s! Will just show you how ahead William Wyler was of his time. I bought the soundtrack on amazon, and I listen to it all the time, it's so great.
Steiners so fantastic. I was so pleased to see his name in so many of the credits in these older movies. I especially loved his score for Casablanca and the Treasure of the Sierra Madre. You know between the trailer and you my interest has been peeked, I moved it to #1 on my queue.

That tagline in the trailer is so awesome: "The story of a woman who was loved... when she should have been whipped!" Classic. I wish trailers today were like they were in the day. This fast cutting and choir/orchestra shit is getting so old.
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Re: Rodriguez writing to Frank Miller

Post by Lt. BioBasterd » Wed May 27, 2009 12:36 am

Yeah she does some racy stuff.

Bette Davis did a lot of radio plays as much as she did film and stage - I mean she was a woman who loved her craft and worked at it every day. I bought this digital cd on amazon and loaded them on my iPod. I recommend it, it's great. You can listen to them and just, it's a great line of material.

http://www.amazon.com/Best-Of-The-Radio ... 9&sr=103-1

She also did an album! I couldn't believe it when I saw it, but she sings and does it quite good, I think. I mean it's not for everyone, some people will find it lame or something, but it's unique.
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