music for Tarantino's ww2

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Re: music for Tarantino's ww2

Post by Toothpick_Vic_Vega » Fri Apr 18, 2003 4:38 pm

yeah baby, now we're getting on the right track here.
What?!! No Kid Rock?!!   :)

Black Flag does rock, but its World War 2, it doesnt fit. Doris Day? Gimme a break. lol.

There was alot of great music from the 40s, but World War 2 films arent really about pop music. Theres so much other shit going on, it doesnt have much to do with the whole thing. I dont wanna hear pop tunes in a War film to be honest. Id rather hear an epic score by Morricone or John Williams or Elmer Bernstein etc.

We gotta get out of this "Tarantino = pop tunes in every movie" mindset I think.

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Post by Dr._Grey_M16 » Sat Apr 19, 2003 7:40 am

Actually, Doris was one of the most popular Big Band singers amongst GIs during WWII.  She modeled her voice off of Ella Fitzgerald, and was very Jazz oriented when her career first started out.  If you haven't listened to "Sentimental Journey", then I think you should to get a better grasp of Doris before she became America's favorite virgin.  
I disagree about having an original score.  The 1940s was really heavily influenced by Pop culture.  Women and men modeled their whole style off of the latest picture inducing trend.  For Quentin not to grab hold of that and put it in the movie, it would be odd and not representative of the time.  I doubt the movie will be sentimental or milquetoast, because the time was blood drenched and almost too surreal (Hitler's rise to power, anyone?).  I think having Morricone supervising the music would be great, but I want the pop music to be placed and heard in the way our grandparents' heard it.  The time wasn't innocent at all, nor was it in anyway like the flag waving movies that were being made back then.  

If you see where I'm heading, I'm going for a parallel between the music and what's happening on screen.  Take for instance the swing music being played while people are blowing each other up, that's what I'm looking for.  And, that's precisely why they're Bastards  ;)

Also, I was being cheeky when I stated Black Flag.  I meant Circle Jerks' "I Just Want Some Skank" :P
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Re: music for Tarantino's ww2

Post by Toothpick_Vic_Vega » Sat Apr 19, 2003 4:44 pm

 Take for instance the swing music being played while people are blowing each other up, that's what I'm looking for.  And, that's precisely why they're Bastards  ;)
I just wanna see a kickass Men on a Mission film. I don't care about Swing music or Doris Day. Just because it takes place in WW2, doesnt mean QT HAS to use pop music of the time. I just think it would sound cheesy in the context of a QT violent crazy battle film. I still say he should go with a cool score and leave the Swing, Jazz, etc out of it altogether. This film will be more like The Steel Helmet, Dirty Dozen or Guns of Navarone or Great Escape, those films didnt have pop music in them either. Having pop music for pop music's sake isnt always good. I think QT knows that.

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Re: music for Tarantino's ww2

Post by Sebastian » Sat Apr 19, 2003 6:16 pm

you call all that classic tunes "pop music"?

it's not saving private ryan, man. its about mood and all, you dont need a James Horner or John Williams score here, you need something cool and funny here. all those guys on a mission films have some kind of funny military music, and older classic songs and all, or none at all.

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Re: music for Tarantino's ww2

Post by Toothpick_Vic_Vega » Sat Apr 19, 2003 7:31 pm

In case you didnt know, every decade has "popular music". In the 20s it was ragtime, in the 30s and 40s it was Jazz, Blues and Swing, in the 50s it was rock n roll, etc.

Theres no QT rulebook that says "Every film has to have pop tunes from said decade in it". Thats pretty simple minded shit. QT never said all his films are going to just be pop music soundtracks. He's already changing that perception with Kill Bill.

When I think "Quentin Tarantino, Men on a Mission film" I hear a main scored theme ala Great Escape with some smaller themes in between. Not Swing music and Doris fuckin Day singing while guys are being shot and blown up. lol.  

The film isnt going to be serious, its most likely going to be a fun, over the top adventure. But that still doesnt mean it should have Swing music in it, or any particular songs from the 40s.

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Re: music for Tarantino's ww2

Post by Dr._Grey_M16 » Sun Apr 20, 2003 7:32 am

Or, it could turn into a platoonish (remember the overuse of adagio?) melodrama with violins used to purposely pull people's heart strings.  

I mean, in a real battle in the middle of hellish artillery shelling that sounds like the crack of thunder and happens to be one of the worst sounds that a man can hear, I doubt someone is conducting a full orchestra with cellos and flutes blazing.  I would think a person in that situation would try to remember one of their favorite songs to keep themselves sane.  What I'm trying to say here is that everyone's persona can be understood partly by their favorite music, clothes, movies etc....  If Quentin puts a badass in the movie, he's going to use the music that he thinks the badass would listen to if he were real.  

Remember Quentin's universe idea?  I think Kill Bill will be in that part of the universe where characters from res dogs, pulp, true rom would go to watch.  So naturally, it would make sense that the score is going to be orchestrated.  And also, considering how infinitely great Morricone is I'm sure he is willing to make an exception.  Other than that, most orchestrated music for movies nowadays seems flat and derivative of other past works.  

I'm just going for the reality factor in Bastards.  Either that, or have the movie with as little music as possible.

I wholeheartedly agree with the movies you listed.  But also take into account, that the orchestrated music used in those films were popular on their own, and were in themselves considered pop music at the time.

What's truly great about Quentin is that he has the ability to use pop icons without making them seem pop-ish (consider his choice of actors for his films: Travolta? Grier? Forster? Sandler? Carradine? Svenson?)

I was going for irony when I stated that Carmen Miranda should be singing especially when people are fighting.  Indeed, every decade has its own popular music, and when did WWII take place? Is he going to represent WWII (w/many inspirations) or the movies that were made about it afterward?  Incidentally, Saving Private Ryan reminded me too much of The Longest Day.  Either way, if he does it originally, I won't mind.  :)
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Post by Toothpick_Vic_Vega » Sun Apr 20, 2003 6:13 pm

Well QT has stated that Bastards will be taking place in his Dogs/Pulp/True Romance World, what he calls his "Realer than Real World".

As much as I love QTs previous works, I don't think he will be repeating himself with his new films. I think he will definitely be expanding his art, not just using blueprints of his earlier films with standard pop music soundtracks, etc.

(Now that I think about it, he's already started using scores, he used them in Jackie Brown.)

Theres really no telling where QT will go with Bastards, but my prediction is that it will be mostly scored with not alot of emphasis on specific pop music tracks, but on the actors and the action going on in the film.

Its inspired by films like: Kellys Heroes (Connection: Don Rickles, a big comedian starred in this film, Adam Sandler, another well known comedian is supposedly starring in Bastards), The Dirty Dozen, Eastern Condors, Guns of Navarone, Dark of the Sun, Steel Helmet, Where Eagles Dare, Inglorious Bastards, The Losers, The Great Escape, The Big Red One.
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Post by Dr._Grey_M16 » Mon Apr 21, 2003 5:30 am

Now that I think of it, I agree that he may just go with that formula.  

The Rickles/Sandler connection is very interesting.  But, I'm worried that Sandler's kind of humor might be a little too goofy compared to sarcastic and snarly Rickles.  Interesting, but I would rather have key character music then just an orchestrated score; like the kind used in the Dirty Dozen and many of Leone's films.  

I don't think Quentin is rehashing himself when he uses old songs.  I think that's his trademark, and I think it's amazing he can get away with doing it.  I read in an interview once, that he uses pre-recorded songs as a basis for his character development.  His characters are inspired by those songs.  In Jackie Brown, there was a great deal of Doo Wop too.

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Post by Toothpick_Vic_Vega » Mon Apr 21, 2003 4:23 pm

Now that I think of it, I agree that he may just go with that formula.  

The Rickles/Sandler connection is very interesting.  But, I'm worried that Sandler's kind of humor might be a little too goofy compared to sarcastic and snarly Rickles.  Interesting, but I would rather have key character music then just an orchestrated score; like the kind used in the Dirty Dozen and many of Leone's films.  

 I read in an interview once, that he uses pre-recorded songs as a basis for his character development.  His characters are inspired by those songs.  In Jackie Brown, there was a great deal of Doo Wop too.
I dont know if Sandler will be playing a goofy character, he probably will be just acting, like Chris Tucker did in Jackie Brown. Also, Rickles didnt really play a comic in Kellys Heroes, he actually was pretty serious in it.

I think key character music would be cool too. There could be the "Inglorious Bastards Main Theme", and little themes for different parts of the movies scenes, character themes etc.

I don't think Jackie Brown had "Doo Wop" in it, but it did have pre recorded music from one of Pam Griers biggest 70s hit Blaxploitation films "Coffy" and it had 70s R&B and Soul tunes by The Delfonics, Minnie Ripperton, Bloodstone and Bill Withers.

Note: For Kill Bill, QT is using pre recorded music by Ennio Morricone. It will most likely be some scores from different Spaghetti Westerns.

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Post by Dr._Grey_M16 » Sat Apr 26, 2003 8:01 pm

Note: For Kill Bill, QT is using pre recorded music by Ennio Morricone. It will most likely be some scores from different Spaghetti Westerns.
Then, he's technically not hiring someone to write original music for the film. 8)

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Post by Toothpick_Vic_Vega » Sun Apr 27, 2003 4:25 pm


Then, he's technically not hiring someone to write original music for the film. 8)
Uh yes he did, he hired RZA and Lars Ulrich.

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Re: music for Tarantino's ww2

Post by beafous » Wed Aug 18, 2004 11:32 pm

I always thought that Tarantino would be better suited to a Vietnam movie rather than WW2. "Full Metal Jacket-esque" with songs by Porter Wagner etc.

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Post by Elmer Ephraim Ellsworth » Sat Aug 28, 2004 2:49 am

I definitley agree w/ using period big band music from Cout Basie, Duke Ellington, and Ralph Marterie. If QT doesn't use any period jazz music in Inglorious Bastards then he's losing a few notches on my respect o' meter.
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Post by silentsean » Sat Aug 28, 2004 4:56 am

QT will do the regular thing, using his own taste of music for the film.
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Re: music for Tarantino's ww2

Post by Ify » Sun Aug 29, 2004 5:15 pm

I hope Tarantino uses music from Robert Rodriguez and Ennio Morricone as he did say this would be his Spaghetti Western.
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Post by Toothpick » Mon Sep 06, 2004 12:04 pm

If you look at other recent ww2 movies that have been made, like Saving Private Ryan...there's only like two instances in the whole movie where there is music at all...and it is an orchestral piece. I think Tarantino's seen enough of the old school ww2 films and the newer ones to know what to do in the case of music. I'm guessing there will be some composed tunes...Tarantino had some original tunes for the first time ever with Kill Bill vol. 1, so yeah, the next step could be working with a composer...but whatever he does do I think it'll be cool.

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Post by Nice Guy Eddie » Sun Jan 09, 2005 1:08 am

He definitely will use music WITH lyrics! Some jazz and some blues will def. be the way to go IMO.

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Re: music for Tarantino's ww2

Post by WeaselCo » Sun Jan 09, 2005 2:58 am

I hate big band music!
Louis Armstrong is good though.
I imagine since he likes Bridge on the River Kwai so much we will hear that whistling song.
If I have to hear boogie woogie bugle boy I will personally stab Quentin.

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Re: music for Tarantino's ww2

Post by MiaRose » Wed Feb 09, 2005 1:32 am

WeaselCo wrote:
If I have to hear boogie woogie bugle boy I will personally stab Quentin.
I wouldn't put it past him  :-\
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Post by al bundy » Thu Feb 10, 2005 6:48 pm

so whens the movie coming out?

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Re: music for Tarantino's ww2

Post by Comfortable Silence » Thu Feb 10, 2005 7:01 pm

al bundy wrote: so whens the movie coming out?
that was definitely on topic.

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Re: music for Tarantino's ww2

Post by al bundy » Fri Feb 11, 2005 1:39 pm

well the movie release is always set on some date and never comes out-next thing all of you are here like "oh we even already know what music's gonna be on it." im jus cusious cause you guys deffinately seem to know more than i.

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Post by Larry_Dimick » Fri Feb 11, 2005 1:43 pm

Or, it could turn into a platoonish (remember the overuse of adagio?) melodrama with violins used to purposely pull people's heart strings
ARGH I HATE THAT FILM SO MUCH!!!
I never thought I'd be able to find that tune NOT sad, but after seeing that piece-of-shit-waste-of-time-film I just grimace when I hear it.  :P
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Re: music for Tarantino's ww2

Post by RazorCharlie » Tue May 17, 2005 8:15 pm

Remember that movie American Outlaws from a few years ago, with Colin Farrell and the kid from Everwood? An old Western set to modern nu-metal? Remember what a big steamer that movie was?

Quentin used a Johnny Cash song in Jackie Brown (and while I love the song and the movie, I thought it was a bit unrealistic to have a hard gun-selling black guy like Ordell listening to country in his car. Just sayin.) and in that vein, I think some plain, hardscrabble country from that era would work well in Inglorious Bastards. If not using actual songs from that period or modern ones that harken that era (ala Steve Earle) then a score that uses some of the same tones with real rustic-sounding acoustic guitars would be tres cool. But using a more old fashioned jazz/big band/blues sound could still work, because not all of that music is so showy and corny and like a lot of ragtime is. (See "The Saddest Music in the World" for further example.)

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Re: music for Tarantino's ww2

Post by Ify » Tue May 17, 2005 9:19 pm

He should have a score composed by Ennio Morricone or Robert Rodriguez or both. Both of them are fucking brilliant at creating music, and from what I've already seen and heard from Kill Bill, it wouldn't go amiss with Inglorious Bastards.
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Re: music for Tarantino's ww2

Post by WhatsFonzieLike » Wed Jun 01, 2005 6:41 pm

Here is a crazy idea. What if Quentin doesnt use any music at all in the entire film. Maybe without music the movie will have more of a documentary feel to it which would be kind of cool. Maybe then he would only include a song in the opening and ending credits and that would be it.

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Re: music for Tarantino's ww2

Post by Ify » Wed Jun 01, 2005 7:05 pm

I don't think he will be trying to go for the documentary style with IB
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Re: music for Tarantino's ww2

Post by Black Mamba! » Thu Aug 25, 2005 9:26 pm

Well...there's no way the movie will have any music ahead of the 40's time period, that just wouldn't make sense..but I also don't think there will be some big band/ jazz/ or swing music while people are battling..!? There probably won't be any actual liscensed songs or music from that time, but I'm sure he will get some sound proffessional artists to put together a soundtrack of ambiences for various differen't scenes. i also wouldn't be surprised if they just used instruments from that time era and made new music that's more applicable to present day audiences.
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Re: music for Tarantino's ww2

Post by al bundy » Thu Dec 07, 2006 11:22 pm

toothpick_vic_vega wrote: I dont think your operating on all cylinders Pulp. Kid Rock's American Badass?!! What the fu-???!! Kid fuckin Rock? HAHAHAHAHA!!!

^lol yeah, lets put in some tina turner, brittny spears and all that ish.

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Re: music for Tarantino's ww2

Post by Toothpick_Vic_Vega » Thu Dec 07, 2006 11:37 pm

Update 06:

QT stated in an interview that he is "going even further into the Spaghetti Western genre" with Bastards. So we know now for sure IB will have lots of Spaghetti Western music in it. Either older film scores and/or modern made Spaghetti Western style music by Robert Rodriguez most likely.

He also said that theres no time period constrictions to the films music. We may hear everything from rockabilly to hip hop in the film. 

I'm sure he wont use shit like Kid Rock or Britney Spears, but he may use modern pop music that fits in with whats going on in the film. 

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