the Natural Born Killers controversy

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Re: the Natural Born Killers controversy

Post by Cherry_Licker » Tue Dec 23, 2003 11:45 pm

thats just the thing, as stated before, once Oliver Stone BOUGHT the script he owned it. HE could do ANYTHING he wanted with it. HE could take scenes FROM it and put them into  ANOTHER totally different script! This is NOT unusual when it comes to script buying.

Yss, Oliver Stone had a chance to make a pretty good movie out of Tarantino's script. But well, he decided he wanted to add his touch to it.

Quentin Tarantino can be mad all he wants at Stone, but in the end its HIS OWN FAULT.

Then there's this BS about "Well Stone should've talked to Tarantino about the script and-" No. He didn't need to do that. HE bought the script. It's his.

I personally liked the movie, it wasn't anything special, but I enjoyed it. Yes, there was some ego dripping into the film ect, but still a decent movie.

But anyone who has vowed to never see it, or say they don't like it for the SOLE reason that Tarantino thinks its a fucked up movie..is a tool.

Just be true to yourself. Just cause Tarantino doesn't like NBK, doesn't mean you as a fan of him has to disslike it to. I don't even think Tarantino would give a flying fuck if you told him you liked it. He may argue about it with you, but as a human being, I bet he'd respect your opinion.

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Re: the Natural Born Killers controversy

Post by Toothpick_Vic_Vega » Wed Dec 24, 2003 12:54 am

Kentucky Fried, do us all a favor and shut the hell up. Im sick of reading this bullshit about how everyone should think for themselves, blah blah blah. Who said you were this chats conscience?

The last thing we need is some child telling us how to think and feel about movies. Is this a joke?

I never liked NBK, even before I knew QT wrote the original screenplay. I didnt like it BEFORE I knew QT didnt like it.

So stop bitching and deal with it.

And Tarantino had the fuckin right to be pissed that his work was fucked with by Stone, whether Stone bought it or not. Get a fuckin clue punk.

Cherry_Licker

Re: the Natural Born Killers controversy

Post by Cherry_Licker » Wed Dec 24, 2003 1:11 am

Great job dumbass, you just made yourself look like a dumb fuck.


You said; "And Tarantino had the fuckin right to be pissed that his work was fucked with by Stone, whether Stone bought it or not. Get a fuckin clue punk. "

Guess what, fuck up? Look what I said, "Quentin Tarantino can be mad all he wants at Stone, but in the end its HIS OWN FAULT. "

Gee, I wonder if I already said that? Did u even READ what I posted, fuck up?

You said; "Kentucky Fried, do us all a favor and shut the hell up. Im sick of reading this bullshit about how everyone should think for themselves, blah blah blah. Who said you were this chats conscience? "

I never said I was this chats concious, moron, I said that if you think NBK sucks just cause Tarantino doesn't like it....you're a tool.

"So stop bitching and deal with it.  "

DEAL WITH WHAT?! What are you talking about? What's to be dealt with? Am I bitching about something? No! FUCK UP

"The last thing we need is some child telling us how to think and feel about movies. Is this a joke? "

I'm not telling you anything. Why am I child? BEcause I'm sixteen? Because I am younger I am automatically considered "a child" a everything I say is considered unintelligent? Problem is, Vic, you think that just because you're older your posts are more meaningfull and intelligent. Just because you're older doesn't mean shit. You're the same caliber as Charbax, you're in denial. You can't accept certain things, like maybe you're an idiot. You both, Charbax, think that just because you're older you are automatically intelligent.

Have fun, Vic!

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Re: the Natural Born Killers controversy

Post by Toothpick_Vic_Vega » Wed Dec 24, 2003 1:29 am

Kentucky Fried I think your problem is that youre jealous of people that know more than you.

All I do is give my opinions on things. If thats too much for you, I guess I'll refer to the old quote: "If you cant take the heat, get outta the kitchen".

Good luck on your quest for knowledge lil guy. :)

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Re: the Natural Born Killers controversy

Post by Cherry_Licker » Wed Dec 24, 2003 1:35 am

Thanks for addressing all my points! It shows how far your knowledge really goes! I'm so glad to see your intelligent response! Especially where you defend yourself!


Oh whoops, you didn't do any of that because you DON'T have anything intelligent to reply with.

My bad.

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Re: the Natural Born Killers controversy

Post by hushjr » Mon Feb 23, 2004 7:59 am

I liked NBK, I have not seen anything like it.
I like the points it made too, the way the media treats serial killers or (just killers in general) as movie stars.
I have not read QT original script, but I would like to see how he would have directed it.
That would be interesting, infact I think he should remake
NBK the way he wanted it, but for me, there is NOTHING wrong with Stone's vision.

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Re: the Natural Born Killers controversy

Post by Inglorious_Bastard » Tue Feb 24, 2004 8:33 pm

I like NBK too! The only thing I can see wrong about it is that it was overdone in my views as in the way it was shot, too far fetched and weird at times.
Though the last 30mins of the film are sheer greatness, a prision riot... brilliant stuff.

Tom Sizemore owns.  8)

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Re: the Natural Born Killers controversy

Post by macca » Sun Mar 07, 2004 4:22 pm

What are the main differences from Tarantino's script to Oliver Stones version of the script?

Is it basically the same script but Oliver Stone decided to make it a weird sort of movie?

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Re: the Natural Born Killers controversy

Post by glenn » Sat Apr 17, 2004 10:47 am

I think it was a great film i love it, i would like to get an honest answer from QT. If he had nothing to do with NBK would he have liked it?

I wish they left the courtroom scene in, i thought that was one of the greatest scenes of the movie, or even movies in general.  I understand why he took it out after hearing what Stone had to say but he could have changed it slightly if he didnt want Mickey to kill her.  I think he could have gone to kill her, her a flash image of the indian and then he stops just beore striking her, then walks back laughing and rests his case

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Re: the Natural Born Killers controversy

Post by Scarface » Sun Apr 18, 2004 8:59 pm

Shit, I just watched NBK for the first time yesterday. Seems that Stone really butchered QT's script to fucking pieces, cause there wasn't anything even remotely that reminded me of QT, especially in the dialogue which was obviously re-written from scratch to include some kind of social message about crime and the media. I have to admit that I quite liked it, but Stone's continous obsession of pointing out to me all the mishaps and negativity of our modern society is beginning to annoy me. This guy must truly be depressed.

It was also funny to see that while the film criticised the use and glarification of violence in the media, he showed clips from Scarface and Midnight Express on the television Mickey was watching in the motel room...two "violent" movies that Stone has scripted himself.

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Re: the Natural Born Killers controversy

Post by itu » Wed Apr 21, 2004 12:23 am

i saw the other day NBK, I understand that the scrip is oftarantino, but O.Stone has made a very strange film that only gets strong when they are in prision, because the rest are many strange things, poor backwards, ... i personally think tarantino could do a masterpiece with that script that Stone didn't know how to do it.

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Re: the Natural Born Killers controversy

Post by Inglorious_Bastard » Wed Apr 21, 2004 10:25 pm

I agree, the prision scenes are great and makes the film strong and it did start out strange and slow. I feel that this is a film that wouldn't suit Tarantino's film skills, I could be wrong.

Now I have a lust to buy the DVD now.  :)

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Re: the Natural Born Killers controversy

Post by Bexi » Sun Aug 08, 2004 9:34 pm

Okay, I've finally got NBK and I've decided to watch it tomorrow night. I just wanted to know how violent it is, I can't watch really violent, gory films unless I know what there gonna be like. So tell me, compared to killbill how violent is it? Also, is it scary?
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Re: the Natural Born Killers controversy

Post by Stacks » Sun Aug 08, 2004 10:24 pm

Did you buy the director's cut? That's the one I have and it isn't that violent. Since there are so many cuts, acts of violence are only focused on for a couple of seconds. It would get an R rating easily if it came out today

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Re: the Natural Born Killers controversy

Post by CPS » Sun Aug 08, 2004 10:47 pm

Okay, I've finally got NBK and I've decided to watch it tomorrow night. I just wanted to know how violent it is, I can't watch really violent, gory films unless I know what there gonna be like. So tell me, compared to killbill how violent is it? Also, is it scary?


Bexi, don´t think about this gory shit...
You should see the movie and then judge about it for yourself.
It is so difficult to say other people what gory a movie is, cuz everyone has his own opinion about it... For me it wasn´t that gory at all.
Just see it.
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Re: the Natural Born Killers controversy

Post by Man_from_Okinawa » Tue Aug 10, 2004 6:14 pm

I love NATURAL BORN KILLERS, one of my favorite movies. And its an Oliver Stone film, not a QT film, so I dont mind that OS changed from QTs script, NBK rules how it is. Great camera work, perfect style, awesome actors. One incredibly good film. Check out my review at the fabulous GRINDHOUSE this Friday evening!

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Re: the Natural Born Killers controversy

Post by Bexi » Wed Aug 11, 2004 10:13 pm

Yes, it is the directors cut, does that mean that it's more violent?

I still haven't watched it though. I can't watch something if it might give me nightmares. So please tell me people, is it more violent that RD? Also, How scary is it?
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Re: the Natural Born Killers controversy

Post by Stacks » Thu Aug 12, 2004 2:19 am

The Director's Cut is the full movie without the cuts required for an 'R' rating. It isn't really that bad at all though, I think that maybe some guy's wife busted his balls over breakfast one morning before he went to work at the MPAA.

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Re: the Natural Born Killers controversy

Post by Man_from_Okinawa » Sun Aug 15, 2004 3:36 am


Yes, it is the directors cut, does that mean that it's more violent?

I still haven't watched it though. I can't watch something if it might give me nightmares. So please tell me people, is it more violent that RD? Also, How scary is it?
HAHAHAHAH! Nightmares. Dude, you're great :D . Funny stuff. Watching NBK and getting nightmares. Awesome :D I laugh my ass

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Re: the Natural Born Killers controversy

Post by Johny_Exhale2 » Tue Sep 07, 2004 8:14 pm

Stacks wrote: The Director's Cut is the full movie without the cuts required for an 'R' rating. It isn't really that bad at all though, I think that maybe some guy's wife busted his balls over breakfast one morning before he went to work at the MPAA.
i've only seen the directors cut and i loved it

judge it as a oliver stone movie, not a tarantino movie

its a great movie,I  love it how Stone gave Woody Harrelson's career a twist, the only "big" thing Woody has done before NBK was White men can't jump and Cheers
i honestly shocked me to see Woody the bartender crack someones skull with an iron bar (or what was it?)

Woody's dad was a hitman by the way, hes serving life i think, Woody says that in an interview on the DVD, Oliver Stone wanted to give Woody an oppurtinity to unleash that hate/agression in NBK, so he did

also they should of let in the court scene (wich is also on the director's cut dvd) where Micky kills a witness with a pencill
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Re: the Natural Born Killers controversy

Post by Bexi » Fri Oct 01, 2004 9:04 am

I still have'nt watched it. It sounds too scary and I'm really bad with violence (I still can't watch the begginning of KillBill).

I'll watch it if somebody tells me which bits to fast foward, so that I don't have to watch any scary bits. This is where you guys come in..........
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Re: the Natural Born Killers controversy

Post by Johny_Exhale2 » Fri Oct 01, 2004 10:19 am

it's not that bad, its just a love story
about violent people

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Re: the Natural Born Killers controversy

Post by confused_shrew » Tue Jan 11, 2005 8:53 am

Well I love it. I recently got the directors cut for $13. And it was to violent for me. I fell bad about saying that. But it is very good. QT sold it, so he should take his millions of dollars and deal with it.

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Re: the Natural Born Killers controversy

Post by Ify » Tue Jan 11, 2005 9:28 pm

confused_shrew wrote: Well I love it. I recently got the directors cut for $13. And it was to violent for me. I fell bad about saying that. But it is very good. QT sold it, so he should take his millions of dollars and deal with it.
I doubt he got any more money than what he was given for the script.
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Re: the Natural Born Killers controversy

Post by Sebastian » Wed Jan 12, 2005 1:04 pm

confused_shrew wrote:QT sold it, so he should take his millions of dollars and deal with it.
i doubt he got more than 10 thousand

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Re: the Natural Born Killers controversy

Post by confused_shrew » Fri Jan 21, 2005 12:00 pm

True, but he's got loads of cash from his other movies. All of which are good. I just thought it was cool to see another crazy, but cool, director do an interpritation of Tarantino's script. On the deleted scenes in the DVD, oliver stone admits that he "fucked up" one of the scenes in the movie. He said he fucked up the Hun Brothers scene and I think he apoligizes to Tarantino.

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Re: the Natural Born Killers controversy

Post by Ify » Sat Jan 22, 2005 9:14 pm

confused_shrew wrote: True, but he's got loads of cash from his other movies. All of which are good. I just thought it was cool to see another crazy, but cool, director do an interpritation of Tarantino's script. On the deleted scenes in the DVD, oliver stone admits that he "fucked up" one of the scenes in the movie. He said he fucked up the Hun Brothers scene and I think he apoligizes to Tarantino.
I haven't seen this film, but I know he fucked up a scene involving a wheelchair, which was the same scene he thought was the best scene in the whole movie and the same scene Tarantino told Avary to write, and the same scene Avary put his heart and soul into.
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Re: the Natural Born Killers controversy

Post by Johny_Exhale » Sun Jan 23, 2005 12:20 pm

im sorry bit i think quentin should shut the fuck up, back then he was pretty much a nobody director/screenwriter, right? he sold his script to the great oliver stone (wich he should be gratefull for) and thats it, he should have taken his money and let oliver deal with it, oliver has the right to change it up, its his film, he can make anything he wants from it, Quentin got paid, oliver got his movie, if quentin was so troubled about it he should of made the movie himself and stop complaining

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Re: the Natural Born Killers controversy

Post by dudett » Sat Apr 23, 2005 4:22 pm

NBK was a way for oliver stone to express his thoughts and feeling about the 1990's. I know that he changed a lot of the original screen play but with out QT's screen play oliver wouldn't of had the film and i think he is very greatful for that screen play ,because it allowed him to express all of these thought and feelings in a mad and unique way.

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Re: the Natural Born Killers controversy

Post by tsty_burger » Thu Aug 11, 2005 10:22 pm

Natural Born Killers for me is an astounding film that i truly loved and is up there in my favourite films. Oliver Stone is a great man with films like Platoon and Nixon, Natural Born Killers is his film that he changed as much as he liked from the original script into the masterpiece that i believe the film turned out to be. I also loved the prison riot at the end brilliant.

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