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tarantino and kubrick

Postby moura » Mon Apr 20, 2009 12:20 am

Kubrick is my favorite director...and ive always wanted to know what Quentin thinks of Kubrick...

Does anyone know something about it? I think Quentin probably likes Full Metal Jacket...that movie has amazing dialogue that reminds his own dialogue; Kubrick also made The Killing, wich has a very similar structure to Jackie Brown; But i have never seem Quentin saying anything about kubrick, except in a comparison with the director of the movie Fandango, but i havent understood what he meant (never saw Fandango unfortunately)
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Re: tarantino and kubrick

Postby *G* » Mon Apr 20, 2009 3:59 am

Kubrick is my fav of all time as well, but I haven't really heard anything about Kubrick coming from the mouth of Quentin. In my opinion, my top 2 directors, are very different from each other.

They do have some similar things about them, as they both have (had in Kubrick's case) very long periods between films, where they seem so focused and obsessed with the film they are doing at that moment.


But Kubrick in my opinion, used camera movements more in his films (zooms, and long shots), and always tried to find the next big way to use "tomorrows" technology with a vintage approach. Quentin, whom is a master in the camera field as well, is more of a director who took other director's styles (Leone for example) and rolled them into one big way of shooting a film.

Also Kubrick was known for being kind of to himself with the whole being "famous" way of being a director, where as our Mr. Tarantino likes to party, be on T.V. shows (Idol), and always likes to be seen.

They are my 1a and 1b directors of all time, but I just really think they are different more than they are the same.

Sorry I couldn't be more helpful. What are your fav Kubrick films? My top 2 has to be Barry Lyndon and A Clockwork Orange.
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Re: tarantino and kubrick

Postby Col. Crazy Kenneth » Mon Apr 20, 2009 11:42 am

From what I've seen from Mr. Kubrick so far (Clockwork, 2001, The Shining, Dr. Strangelove) he seems more of an artist and less of an entertainer.

Although there is brilliance in all of those works, I only truly enjoyed The Shining.

I personally believe that Kubrick's way of doing movies is opposed to Quentin's way. QT has a pop/camp/B-movie approach, he would probably dismiss much of Kubrick's work as "high brow crap", the same way he dismisses Kurosawa.
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Re: tarantino and kubrick

Postby VikingWithNoName » Mon Apr 20, 2009 12:58 pm

A funny thing about Kubrick is that all of his movies is based on books.
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Re: tarantino and kubrick

Postby *G* » Mon Apr 20, 2009 4:31 pm

^ I don't think 2001 was. But anyway, that doesn't make him less of a director. He was a one man crew on sets. No one can touch him in film as an artist.

And I never understood why "artsy" movies get crapped on alot. Kubrick was the f'n man. Sorry alot of people around the world have short attention spans. My age, the world thinks I should be watching the CGI filled Transformers or an hour and a half slasher remakes (which sucks), but no. Ever since I was a kid I'd watch things like Tarantino and Kubrick movies, and I have grown from there. Hey, I love 70's and 80's B movies like anyone else, but something about watching an "artsy" film that makes you love movies and makes you wonder how great a movie can be.
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Re: tarantino and kubrick

Postby VikingWithNoName » Mon Apr 20, 2009 5:27 pm

GRINDHOUSE wrote:^ I don't think 2001 was. But anyway, that doesn't make him less of a director.


I don't say it's a bad thing.
But 2001 was a book. Just check wikipedia.
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Re: tarantino and kubrick

Postby moura » Mon Apr 20, 2009 5:56 pm

2001 was inspired by a short story by Carl Sagan; when kubrick readed, he asked to Sagan to unite with him to write a full feature inspired by that short story...so they wrote 2001 together and made a deal: kubrick would have priority in releasing the movie, but then sagan would receive solo credits as a writer when the book version would be released

kubrick has a funny line about this: he used to say that he loves making great movies out of mediocre books...hehe
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Re: tarantino and kubrick

Postby moura » Mon Apr 20, 2009 6:12 pm

well, im not sure what are my favorite kubrick movies...they are so diferent that its hard to choose, but i think i speacially enjoy Barry Lyndon, and The Shining is the movie i have watched more times in my life, i think

anyway, there are probably more diferences then similarities between kubrick and tarantino; but some kubrick movies have a few things in commom with tarantino ones...for example:

Full Metal Jacket has dialogue that reminds of tarantino; many kubrick movies are divided in episodes and use title cards; I think The Shining is not only a horror movie, but also a comentary on the genre, what reminds tarantino;

kubrick movies have many references to pop culture and are sometimes set in a "movie" world; specially The Shining and Eyes Wide Shut are filled with movie mistakes done in purpose, so the stories doesnt take place in reality, but in this movie world...so they make comentaries about art as well (but kubrick is considerably more subtle then quentin...)
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Re: tarantino and kubrick

Postby moura » Mon Apr 20, 2009 6:20 pm

and keneth, im afraid u might be right about quentin dismissing kubrick as "high brown crap"...i hope he doesnt, but he certainly doesnt seem much interested, as weve never seem him saying anything about kubrick...what amazes me the most is that he never even mentioned Full Metal Jacket; he likes war movies so much and that movie has so many great moments and lines...

well, kubrick might be my favorite director, but quentin is certainly my favorite working today...
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Re: tarantino and kubrick

Postby Kinick » Mon Apr 20, 2009 8:28 pm

Funny you guys mention that, there's a thread on IMDb at the minute comparing similar shots in Inglourious Basterds and Full Metal Jacket - the shots of Samm Levine running with the huge machine gun in IB and Animal Mother charging with the machine gun in FMJ.
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Re: tarantino and kubrick

Postby Pinkman » Tue Apr 21, 2009 1:12 am

Yeah, Full Metal Jacket is an incredible movie, with definitely a Tarantino feel to it. No wonder why it's my favorite Kubrick film and my favorite war movie altogether. Dr Strangelove and a Clockwork Orange are amazing as well, and they got this cheesiness to them too, so it can work sometimes in the hands of a master, but it's very risky, that's why I'm kinda worried for IB, but I have faith. I find 2001 technically impressive for the time it was made, you still can watch it without cringing at the special effects, many scenes are truly virtuose, but the end kinda turns me off, way too trippy for my tastes. QT is what I'd call a popular Kubrick, the Kubrick of the pop culture. He is not talking about Kubrick, maybe he doesn't like his work, but I like them both, so they may share a little something about the way they approach filmmaking. It might be their obsession for the details and the way they deal with music.

And after watching Hitler in the IB teaser, I'm wondering if QT is going for a Dr Strangelove satire kind of thing with the character, in his less subtle own way of course. You know that kind of hysterical behavior with the gesture, screaming and all. Well, that's just a random thought, which still need to be confirmed.

For the shot of Samm Levine, that doesn't really strike me, I don't really remember the one in FMJ to be honest. I sincerly doubt it though, but I'll maybe check it out if I got nothing else to do. Right now, I'd say it's wild guess from FMJ's lovers.
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Re: tarantino and kubrick

Postby VikingWithNoName » Tue Apr 21, 2009 10:07 am

moura wrote:kubrick has a funny line about this: he used to say that he loves making great movies out of mediocre books...hehe


Hitchcock said the same thing.
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Re: tarantino and kubrick

Postby cyber-lili » Tue Apr 21, 2009 10:40 am

Guys, stick on topic, or I'll move all this discussion in the other Kubrick topic :
http://www.tarantino.info/forum/index.php/topic,154.0.html

Just discuss what Tarantino might have said about Kubrick, no general talking about Kubrick and his movies.
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Re: tarantino and kubrick

Postby Seth_Gecko » Tue Apr 21, 2009 11:34 am

Kubrick and QT are both very much interested in style and the form of the movie. They both take it into a another sphere though. Where Kubrick always has a connection to both film and society, QT only has the movieworld.

Fun attempt to combine QT & KB:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhvsndVYRuI
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Re: tarantino and kubrick

Postby Kinick » Tue Apr 21, 2009 1:00 pm

Pinkman wrote:For the shot of Samm Levine, that doesn't really strike me, I don't really remember the one in FMJ to be honest. I sincerly doubt it though, but I'll maybe check it out if I got nothing else to do. Right now, I'd say it's wild guess from FMJ's lovers.


I didn't see it either. I just re-watched FMJ last night actually. Good movie that only runs a little flat in the middle. Lot of comedy in it that I'm sure QT would have enjoyed.
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Re: tarantino and kubrick

Postby Pinkman » Tue Apr 21, 2009 4:36 pm

Well I found the clip where it's supposed to be the similar shot.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=txGegkyZ5cs

It starts at 52 seconds in it. Well I guess if you want to see a resemblance, you can, but if you go this way, you can probably tell that every heavy machine gun shots are the same. So yeah it's just a wild guess.
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Re: tarantino and kubrick

Postby cyber-lili » Tue Apr 21, 2009 6:06 pm

Pinkman wrote:Well I found the clip where it's supposed to be the similar shot.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=txGegkyZ5cs

It starts at 52 seconds in it. Well I guess if you want to see a resemblance, you can, but if you go this way, you can probably tell that every heavy machine gun shots are the same. So yeah it's just a wild guess.


I tempt to think this coincidence isn't one. Tarantino knows his classics, and it really looks similar. No heavy machine gun shots are first) shot with a handheld camera, second)the composition of the frame itself is similar, the attitude of the character and so on.
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Re: tarantino and kubrick

Postby moura » Tue Apr 21, 2009 9:52 pm

found this coment on imdb:

"Tarantino is a fan of Kubrick's work....but not a big one. He likes Ralph Meeker, so I wouldn't be surprised if he's a fan of 'Paths of Glory'. Also, Tarantino has cited 'The Killing' as one of his many influences, in fact during the credits in 'Reservoir Dogs' he makes a dedication to Lionel White, the author of 'Clean Break' (the book in which 'The Killing' is adapted from)."

i dont kown where this guy took this information from, so i dont know if it can be trusted
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Re: tarantino and kubrick

Postby cyber-lili » Tue Apr 21, 2009 11:39 pm

The Killing is oviously a major influence of Reservoir Dogs. And this user is right about Lionel White's Clean Break, which was rewritten into a screenplay for The Killing by Kubruck himself and Jim Thomson.

But then again, I've never read any official source with Tarantino mentionning it.
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Re: tarantino and kubrick

Postby Movie_Villain » Sat Apr 25, 2009 3:14 am

QT has said that Reservoir Dogs is "his "the Killing".
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Re: tarantino and kubrick

Postby Col. Crazy Kenneth » Sat Apr 25, 2009 3:18 am

Movie_Villain wrote:QT has said that Reservoir Dogs is "his "the Killing".


did he say anything more? Like what he means by that?
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Re: tarantino and kubrick

Postby *G* » Sat Apr 25, 2009 4:32 am

^ Yeah, I would like to know as well.
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Re: tarantino and kubrick

Postby Movie_Villain » Fri May 08, 2009 3:25 am

i dont remember any more detail, if there is any more..i dont remember where i heard or read that but QT definetly said it.. mabye it was on one of the Dogs dvd special features, not sure
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Re: tarantino and kubrick

Postby moura » Fri May 08, 2009 3:29 pm

but if u are a movie villain, how can we trust u? maybe u just wanna f*** with our minds for your own evil purposes...
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Re: tarantino and kubrick

Postby Movie_Villain » Sat May 09, 2009 6:11 pm

moura wrote:but if u are a movie villain, how can we trust u? maybe u just wanna f*** with our minds for your own evil purposes...


exactly mwahahaha >:D

seriously though

i found an article where QT says The Killing inspired him, not the exact interview i was quoting but its something

http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-enter ... 64219.html
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Re: tarantino and kubrick

Postby moura » Mon May 11, 2009 1:38 pm

thank you :)
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Re: tarantino and kubrick

Postby Cpt tonyanthony » Tue May 12, 2009 7:03 am

he said that RD was "his" killing in several interviews when rd was released. it was in the press kit also. on the DVD he says that he put Lionel White's name on the "thank you" page of the script because he didn't want to thank Kubrick.
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Re: tarantino and kubrick

Postby moura » Wed May 13, 2009 3:50 pm

why didnt he want to thank kubrick?
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Re: tarantino and kubrick

Postby moura » Wed May 13, 2009 3:53 pm

a quick coment off-topic: kubrick once wanted to make an holocaust movie, and at some point he considered making it to be set in german movie industry comanded by goebles hehe sounds familiar...
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Re: tarantino and kubrick

Postby Cpt tonyanthony » Thu May 14, 2009 9:20 am

moura wrote:why didnt he want to thank kubrick?


because he's not a kubrick fan. i just remember him saying "he's like welles, these guys are ok, but come on..."

moura wrote:a quick coment off-topic: kubrick once wanted to make an holocaust movie, and at some point he considered making it to be set in german movie industry comanded by goebles hehe sounds familiar...


is that The German Lieutenant?
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