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Mixed Martial Arts

Post by pantsman » Thu Feb 08, 2007 1:33 am

Haven't been on this side of the forum before, but since this is the chat area I figure sports are on-topic amongst just about everything else. Anyone else watch Mixed Martial Arts events? UFC, Pride, IFL, etc. I am a fan since the 90's, who eventually lost interest during the black period of the UFC. Then a couple of years go by and I've gotten back into, and no, not because of "The Ultimate Fighter". Actually never seen that show, which I regret since I hear the Bonnar/Griffin fight from the finale on one of those seasons turned out great.

Anyway, anyone a fan? If so, favorite fighters? My list:

1. Fedor Emelianenko (greatest fighter of our time)
2. Mirko "Cro Cop" Filipovic
3. Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira
4. B.J. Penn
5. Josh Barnett
6. Royce Gracie (can never forget our past)
7. Quinton "Rampage" Jackson
8. Kazushi Sakuraba
9. Bas Rutten
10. Georges St. Pierre

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Re: Mixed Martial Arts

Post by pantsman » Sat Feb 10, 2007 8:44 pm

I think I might be the only one around into MMA :D

So, I'll just post my favorite highlight video of Fedor Emelianenko's:

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Re: Mixed Martial Arts

Post by Laydback » Sat Feb 10, 2007 9:33 pm

You would think that I would be into it nowdays since there's a helluva lot more striking (Instead of grappling) in the fights these days (I tuned into UFC during it's first few years when Gracie dominated in boring fashion. Lost interest in the sport after that)
But given that there's a lot more exposure for MMA these days (It'll become a staple for the Showtime networks soon) I may tune in.

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Post by pantsman » Sun Feb 11, 2007 1:34 am

Laydback wrote: You would think that I would be into it nowdays since there's a helluva lot more striking (Instead of grappling) in the fights these days (I tuned into UFC during it's first few years when Gracie dominated in boring fashion. Lost interest in the sport after that)
But given that there's a lot more exposure for MMA these days (It'll become a staple for the Showtime networks soon) I may tune in.
You know, I appreciate the ground game a lot more than a lot of people I guess, because I've become a little disinterested in the striking aspect and I sometimes feel UFC is encouraging their fighters to make the fights more stand-up oriented. Not to mention the three/five minute rounds tend to limit most grapplers. Still, it is all about the whole package, and fighters like Mirko Crocop and Chuck Liddell prove you can be a dominant fighter and focus mostly on your well developed standup fight.

I'm definitely a bigger fan of Pride these days, due to the difference in the rules and the deeper level of talent. Instead of 3 or 5 minute rounds, the first round tends to be 10 minutes, followed by two five minute rounds. Soccer kicks, knees and stomps to a downed opponent are legal (say what you want, they're better than elbows like in the UFC which only serve as a way to cut an opponent and get the fight called) - and they have Fedor, which makes them the beeeessst ;)

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Re: Mixed Martial Arts

Post by pantsman » Thu Aug 23, 2007 12:26 am

No replies since February, and so sad, Pride is no longer around. Scooped up by Zuffa/UFC. We're getting a lot of the Pride Vs. UFC fights however, and the UFC's cards are really getting spiffy. This weekend is UFC 74, headlined by Randy Couture vs. Gabriel Gonzaga and Georges St. Pierre vs. Josh Koscheck. Looking forward to it, going to watch it on the big screen with some family. Don't have much faith in Randy actually winning, but I sure am rooting for him. I'm also hoping to see Kos get destroyed by GSP. Then in September, the return of Crocop! Exciting times my friends, well, exciting for me ;)

Sorry if we're not supposed to bump up old topics, but hey, I'm just throwing the conversation out there again. Better than making yet another topic :)

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Post by Sebastian » Thu Aug 23, 2007 1:15 am

pants is back! como estas senor?

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Re: Mixed Martial Arts

Post by pantsman » Fri Aug 24, 2007 4:01 am

Sebastian wrote: pants is back! como estas senor?
Hola! :D Yeah, just hanging round' :) VC is down right now until I get a new host (my old one took my money and ran) and address, but it'll be back soon. Still, always some great conversations running around these parts - still trying to find another MMA fan though ;)

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Re: Mixed Martial Arts

Post by Jjp » Fri Aug 24, 2007 4:37 am

havent watched it in a while, always interested in learning fighting styles though.

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Post by HostOfThreads » Mon Sep 03, 2007 3:52 am

I like the tall black guy that kicked the shit out of that annoying redhead.

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Post by pantsman » Sun Sep 09, 2007 5:15 am

HostOfThreads wrote: I like the tall black guy that kicked the shit out of that annoying redhead.
Anderson Silva? :D Gotta love the Spider!

And oh boy, another UFC event, another Crocop loss :( The guy just refuses to show heart anymore. I don't know what happened in that fight tonight - but he had it in his hands; but let it slip by. A shame and total bummer.

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Re: Mixed Martial Arts

Post by pantsman » Wed Jul 30, 2008 7:04 pm

I know it's a dead topic, and I suppose there aren't too many MMA fans on the board - but hey; why not beat a dead horse!  ;D

I've been making MMA Highlights for a while now. I've made like... I dunno, ten or something :) Fellow film editors may be interested or something. I started with Adobe Premiere but could never get into it all that much, moved onto Sony Vegas which I love for its ease of use and am now dabbling in Adobe After Effects which feels like a real special FX program for once.

This one is my latest:

http://www.livevideo.com/video/420A5A1C ... -arts.aspx

The livevideo stream is a little cleaner than the youtube one, but not by much. The youtube is: HERE. Though, really, it pays to have the full .WMV file since the quality of the videos I had were not so great and the FX on top of them don't translate so well to the streaming sites unfortunately.

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Re: Mixed Martial Arts

Post by Jjp » Thu Jul 31, 2008 3:42 am

yea since i got into training muay thai at a mma gym i have been watching it alot more so id be happy to discuss it. i hope GSP loses this upcoming fight,really cant stand him, and that anderson silva james irvin knockout was impressive.

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Post by pantsman » Thu Jul 31, 2008 5:21 pm

Jjp wrote: yea since i got into training muay thai at a mma gym i have been watching it alot more so id be happy to discuss it. i hope GSP loses this upcoming fight,really cant stand him, and that anderson silva james irvin knockout was impressive.
Really? Dislike GSP? :o Is it something about his attitude or his fighting style? I won't say I'm his biggest fan or anything like that, but he's darn good. Ever since his loss to Serra though he has been going to his wrestling over and over again. I'm kind of missing the days when he would stand up and trade like he did with BJ Penn. Even though Penn was eating him alive until he gassed, at least Pierre showed the heart to give it his all... but then again, who can really take BJ Penn down?  ;D

I love Silva, though some of his fans these days might be taking it a little over the edge with the pound for pound greatest ever stuff. Especially when you have Fedor knocking/choking out Tim Sylvia in 36 seconds on the same night, it seems Anderson would have to step up his level of competition to give Fedor a threat for the spot. Anderson is a monster though, and his next opponent is supposed to be Cote from what I hear. Though I like the guy, the only UFC middleweight with any chance I can think of is probably Dan Henderson - and he just lost to Silva.

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Post by Jjp » Mon Aug 04, 2008 4:11 am

As a fighter i never thought that GSP was an impressive fighter. Yes he is a very good fighter, but his attitude is what i cant really stand, hes too much of a show off.  As far as silva is concerned, i dont think too many people in ufc pose a threat to him. The only time i can see him being beat  is if a k-1 or muay thai fighter decides to come to ufc. His muay thai skills are very impressive. He is a great fighter but i think someone like buakaw or massato if schooled in ground game could take him.  The problem occurs because not alot of people in MMA are great muay thai strikers like silva is. That james irvin knockout was textbook muay thai, it wasent even something fancy. There going to need a differant class of striker to fight him...anyway i just got done watching wec on versus i cant say im not happy with the results. Marcus hicks was probably the biggest disappointment for me, i thought he could take verner. Brian Stann's fight,  i was happy with the result of that fight, i never thought Stann was good he was never tested and has knocked alot of people out with flurries in the first round because his opponents would get sloppy during the exchanges. The Carlos Condet really got tested tonight but came out on top i was happy with that fight. CAnt wait until sept 10th to see Urijah Faber fight again.

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Post by pantsman » Mon Aug 04, 2008 4:25 pm

Jjp wrote: As a fighter i never thought that GSP was an impressive fighter. Yes he is a very good fighter, but his attitude is what i cant really stand, hes too much of a show off.  As far as silva is concerned, i dont think too many people in ufc pose a threat to him. The only time i can see him being beat  is if a k-1 or muay thai fighter decides to come to ufc. His muay thai skills are very impressive. He is a great fighter but i think someone like buakaw or massato if schooled in ground game could take him.  The problem occurs because not alot of people in MMA are great muay thai strikers like silva is. That james irvin knockout was textbook muay thai, it wasent even something fancy. There going to need a differant class of striker to fight him...anyway i just got done watching wec on versus i cant say im not happy with the results. Marcus hicks was probably the biggest disappointment for me, i thought he could take verner. Brian Stann's fight,  i was happy with the result of that fight, i never thought Stann was good he was never tested and has knocked alot of people out with flurries in the first round because his opponents would get sloppy during the exchanges. The Carlos Condet really got tested tonight but came out on top i was happy with that fight. CAnt wait until sept 10th to see Urijah Faber fight again.
Aww man! I missed the latest WEC event, that sucks. Instead I was being pulled over by the police and being cursed out and have my car and business being insulted by a cop (I kid you not, want to forget about that little incident).

Anyway, looking over the results - I didn't think Stann would keep the title very long. He has that whole "throw a bunch of punches until something connects" mentality that either gets you a win or gets you TKO'd. This time, he obviously didn't win. Would have liked to see the Condit/Miura fight. Miura gave Jason Miller all he could handle when they fought and sounds like he may have done the same to Condit. In the UFC, the fighter I'm probably most excited to see fight are Paulo Filho and Miguel Torres. Filho has looked terrible since coming to the WEC, and has checked himself into a rehab recently - but he's still undefeated and a tremendous fighter. He'll be re-matching Chael Sonnen on the same card as that next Faber fight, a fight that didn't really need a rematch if you ask me. Chael screamed and was about to have his arm broke in a Filho armbar - the ref made the right move and called the fight; then he threw a temper tantrum over it. I usually like Chael but lost some respect for him that night. Torres is just an amazing fighter, well-rounded and exciting. I also like Faber as well, but after seeing a little thing about him on MSNBC a long time back; haven't really liked his personality. He's kind of cocky.

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Post by Jjp » Tue Aug 05, 2008 6:49 am

yep Filho hasent looked so good so far in wec, well not as good as he used to be at least. His last fight can't remember who he fought, he tkoed him but it was one of the sloppiest tko's i have ever seen in my life. He should try to improve his striking game but his ground game is sick. I seen the Chael Sonnen fight,he starts flipping out after, but  seriously now what is the ref supposed to do let him break his arm, then the ref loses his job. Im calling Filho winning in one of the early rounds due to submission. The next ufc is lookin good though as much as i dont like him im gonna have to say herring is going to beat lesner. Florian has been looking really good too. He was at my gym a while back and of course its the one night im not there, i was pissed i dident get to meet him. i want fitch to beat pierre but i dunno its gonna be a close one. Oo yea i almost forgot that last Lawler vs. smith fight on elite xc was really good fight,  especially for elite xc. I use to consider there fighters at a lower rank (other than some stars like frank shamrock and cung lee) than the fighters in other leagues like ufc and wec, But lately they have been having some really good fights.

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Post by pantsman » Tue Aug 05, 2008 3:22 pm

Jjp wrote: yep Filho hasent looked so good so far in wec, well not as good as he used to be at least. His last fight can't remember who he fought, he tkoed him but it was one of the sloppiest tko's i have ever seen in my life. He should try to improve his striking game but his ground game is sick. I seen the Chael Sonnen fight,he starts flipping out after, but  seriously now what is the ref supposed to do let him break his arm, then the ref loses his job. Im calling Filho winning in one of the early rounds due to submission. The next ufc is lookin good though as much as i dont like him im gonna have to say herring is going to beat lesner. Florian has been looking really good too. He was at my gym a while back and of course its the one night im not there, i was pissed i dident get to meet him. i want fitch to beat pierre but i dunno its gonna be a close one. Oo yea i almost forgot that last Lawler vs. smith fight on elite xc was really good fight,  especially for elite xc. I use to consider there fighters at a lower rank (other than some stars like frank shamrock and cung lee) than the fighters in other leagues like ufc and wec, But lately they have been having some really good fights.
Yeah, I actually really like EliteXC. They're developing quite the roster, and although it's not as impressive as that recent Affliction card or the UFC's main roster; it is quite respectable and they're also the only big name putting on women's MMA.

The Herring Vs. Lesnar match, I'm going to pick Lesnar. I'm a big fan of Heath's and have been following him for a long time, but Heath has no takedown defense - and Lesnar is a takedown machine. Heath's best hope is for Lesnar to pull a Coleman and gas out by the third, where he could then keep it standing and brutalize Brock. If Heath could do that, I doubt Brock has the heart to continue.

St. Pierre's most likely to dominate Fitch, since St. Pierre has crushed every other wrestler he has come against so far - and when Fitch is being put on his back like Koscheck & Hughes, I expect the same results. Florian/Huerta should be epic, Huerta always puts on fight of the night performances and Florian is just as capable. That's a 50/50 for me, but if I were to pick I'd say Florian. Should be one heck of a card!

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Post by pantsman » Sat Aug 16, 2008 10:09 pm

pantsman wrote:This one is my latest:

http://www.livevideo.com/video/420A5A1C ... -arts.aspx

The livevideo stream is a little cleaner than the youtube one, but not by much. The youtube is: HERE. Though, really, it pays to have the full .WMV file since the quality of the videos I had were not so great and the FX on top of them don't translate so well to the streaming sites unfortunately.
Hey anybody who reads this, do the ol' J-Man a favor and vote for my video here:

http://www.punchdrunkgamer.com/index.ph ... &Itemid=77

It's listed as JSSVideo: The Mixed Martial Arts. It's for a competition I entered it in, I'm bound to lose so I'm not expecting any great rally but I figure I want to go down with at least more than a couple of votes if I can help it  ;D

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Re: Mixed Martial Arts

Post by Mr.Pink » Sun Oct 04, 2009 1:37 am

I cant wait until UFC 106 when Tito Ortiz will getfucked up by Mark Coleman.

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Post by mr blonde_22 » Sun Dec 13, 2009 10:56 pm

anyone catch last nights event? Frank mir showed how good he is tonight, i dont think he's looked this good since his accident (except for the Minotauro fight) and BJ what an animal! doubt anyone will stop him at 155 now

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Post by pantsman » Mon Dec 14, 2009 3:52 am

Yeah, Mir definitely impressed me. Just shows he does have some power in his hands, although I do think that the fight with Nog would go a bit different with him being healthy. Well, at least a prime Nogueira. Don't know if the Couture fight definitely proved he was back, but I sincerely hope so.

BJ is just the best at his weight and there's no stopping him. Maybe Gray Maynard could stand a chance? But that still really wouldn't even be much of a fight.

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Post by mr blonde_22 » Tue Dec 15, 2009 10:21 pm

yeah i guess a maynard fight could be interesting see how he goes against diaz first might be a repeat of their TUF fight who knows....
im hoping that BJ wins a few more at lightweight and hopefully move up to welterweight to on GSP again!

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Post by Mr.Pink » Tue Dec 22, 2009 11:54 pm

mr blonde_22 wrote:yeah i guess a maynard fight could be interesting see how he goes against diaz first might be a repeat of their TUF fight who knows....
im hoping that BJ wins a few more at lightweight and hopefully move up to welterweight to on GSP again!
BJ would need to earn his title shot if he wanted to face GSP. The only guy in my opinion that can take on BJ at lightweight is Nate Diaz.

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Post by pantsman » Wed Dec 23, 2009 5:20 am

Mr.Pink wrote:
mr blonde_22 wrote:yeah i guess a maynard fight could be interesting see how he goes against diaz first might be a repeat of their TUF fight who knows....
im hoping that BJ wins a few more at lightweight and hopefully move up to welterweight to on GSP again!
BJ would need to earn his title shot if he wanted to face GSP. The only guy in my opinion that can take on BJ at lightweight is Nate Diaz.
What makes you like Nate in that fight if you don't mind me asking?

I see Maynard grinding out a decision against Diaz. There's a chance Diaz might catch him, but I think he's well versed enough at this point that Nate is going to have a hard time submitting him at this point. Not to say Nate can't do it, because he can, but I think it'll be really tricky. Maynard's a dog and one of the toughest guys at 155. I still don't give him much of a chance against BJ.

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Post by Mr.Pink » Wed Dec 23, 2009 8:18 am

pantsman wrote:
I see Maynard grinding out a decision against Diaz. There's a chance Diaz might catch him, but I think he's well versed enough at this point that Nate is going to have a hard time submitting him at this point. Not to say Nate can't do it, because he can, but I think it'll be really tricky. Maynard's a dog and one of the toughest guys at 155. I still don't give him much of a chance against BJ.
Forget the Maynard fight for the moment. Look at what BJ is best at its obviously his boxing and jiu jitsu. Then look at what what Nate Diaz is best at its got to be his boxing and cardio. We all know that BJ has terrible cardio and I personally believe Nate has the better boxing (reach advantage aswell) so BJ will probably try take it to the ground and submit Diaz which wont happen and he will most likely get caught in a triangle (Diaz has won 4 of his 11 wins by triangle choke).

As for the Maynard fight I dont know what will happen but I would say it would end up in Diaz getting his hand raised.

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Post by Mr.Pink » Wed Dec 23, 2009 8:31 am

pantsman wrote: Anyway, anyone a fan? If so, favorite fighters? My list:

1. Fedor Emelianenko (greatest fighter of our time)
2. Mirko "Cro Cop" Filipovic
3. Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira
4. B.J. Penn
5. Josh Barnett
6. Royce Gracie (can never forget our past)
7. Quinton "Rampage" Jackson
8. Kazushi Sakuraba
9. Bas Rutten
10. Georges St. Pierre
I see you're a big fan of the Pride fighters. Heres my favourite list.
1.Ken Shamrock (The great UFC pioneer)
2.Matt Hughes (Most dominant welterweight of all time)
3.Wanderlei Silva (Most violent fighter)
4.Frank Mir (Biggest mouth)
5.Dan Henderson (Powerful puncher)
6.Mirko Cro Cop (Craziest head kicks)
7.Nick Diaz (Superhuman powers. see the fight with Gomi, a fucking gogoplata)
8.Mark Hunt (Fellow Kiwi)
9.Anderson Silva (Best p4p fighter in the world)
10.Phil Baroni (quickest hands in MMA)

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Post by Mr.Pink » Thu Dec 24, 2009 6:47 am

And I just got banned by Chuck Liddell on Twitter. ;D

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Post by mr blonde_22 » Wed Jan 06, 2010 5:30 pm

Mr.Pink wrote:
pantsman wrote:
I see Maynard grinding out a decision against Diaz. There's a chance Diaz might catch him, but I think he's well versed enough at this point that Nate is going to have a hard time submitting him at this point. Not to say Nate can't do it, because he can, but I think it'll be really tricky. Maynard's a dog and one of the toughest guys at 155. I still don't give him much of a chance against BJ.
Forget the Maynard fight for the moment. Look at what BJ is best at its obviously his boxing and jiu jitsu. Then look at what what Nate Diaz is best at its got to be his boxing and cardio. We all know that BJ has terrible cardio and I personally believe Nate has the better boxing (reach advantage aswell) so BJ will probably try take it to the ground and submit Diaz which wont happen and he will most likely get caught in a triangle (Diaz has won 4 of his 11 wins by triangle choke).

As for the Maynard fight I dont know what will happen but I would say it would end up in Diaz getting his hand raised.

I cant see diaz submitting Penn ever, penn earned his black belt in BJJ in 3 years (the quickest by an american i believe) then won the world championships, no way will diaz submit him.

come to think of it i agree with maynard grinding out a unamious victory

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Re: Mixed Martial Arts

Post by Mr.Pink » Wed Jan 06, 2010 11:56 pm

I think the fight will go down similar to when Nates brother Nick fought Takanori Gomi in Pride. They will slug it on the feet for most of the fight then Nate will pull guard and put a triangle on him (or a gogoplata). With Nates long legs it will be easy to get the triangle.

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Post by mr blonde_22 » Sat Jan 09, 2010 6:53 am

i could imagine a nice triangle from diaz after pulling guard, iv'e really only seen maynard in his ultimate fighter fights so i'm not surew about how good he is now compared to then, i know sherdog have him in the top 10 155's in the world but he isnt really a finisher as most of his fights go to a decision, i like diaz the more i think about this fight but i think he will take a beating on the ground before he finds a submission much like TUF 5 fight...

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