[quote=“Sgt. Geoi Donowitz”]I think one of the reasons I like Scarface so much is because I’m so nostalgic about the 80’s.
So, lili, maybe you would like it better if you were older, and lived through the 80’s.[/quote]
Maybe, cause I was born in 1987, I then never lived the eighties.
And in terms of movies, music, fashion style, that’s everything I hate. I better like the reappropriation of the eighties made now by postmodernism or recent artists/movies/bands.
I only like really much photography from eighties cause I love the nostalgy surrounding them. Or literature from the eighties. But I don’t feel the nostalgy in the movies or music for example.
There were certainly elements of the 80’s that were crass and distasteful, but there were also elements that were brilliant. It was a great time to be growing up. As a society, we’ll never again achieve what was so great about the 80’s. Of course that’s true about many great parts of every era. I’m completely partial.
[quote=“Sgt. Geoi Donowitz”]There were certainly elements of the 80’s that were crass and distasteful, but there were also elements that were brilliant. It was a great time to be growing up. As a society, we’ll never again achieve what was so great about the 80’s. Of course that’s true about many great parts of every era. I’m completely partial.[/quote]
Like what great parts ? I’m interested, it’s not sarcasm or whatever cause I really can’t stay partial. To me, the USA back in the eighties for example, that’s Reagan era, that can’t be good. That wasn’t good in politics, wasn’t good for the society, wasn’t good for the cinema cause there certainly was a Reagan era (well, in fac as an analysis objects, movies from that era are interesting but as a regular viewer, it’s def not my taste).
I don’t know how things were in France during the 80’s, so I guess I can’t even speculate about that. But here, families were closer. They sat down at the dinner table together every night. TV shows were cleaner. Music was cleaner. We were right on the verge of many technological breakthroughs that we all enjoy today. There was Atari, arcades, rollerskating rinks, Rambo, Chuck Norris, Cyndi Lauper, Michael Jackson, Indiana Jones, Star Wars, The Goonies, the best action movies of all time, and less governmental control of citizens. Two guys could have a fist fight and the cops weren’t called. People had more freedom. And the Reagan era, as you put it, was brilliant in America. There was a mass feeling of patriotism, and we were making money. Aside from the recession, which was brought on by Carter, we were on top of the world, and even the recession passed fairly quickly. But you and I will never agree on politics, lili. I love ya like a french step-cousin, but we’re worlds apart.
You know it’s funny, I look at 80’s american pop culture and I love it, I love everything that Geoi has mentioned. I love the music and the movies in particular. most people hate the clothes, but i like many of that too.
Reagan, well - wasn’t he a hardliner who ultimately did more wrong than good? I’m kinda partial to the stuff Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert say, because I mostly trust them (yes I know Colbert makes a mockery about republicans)
I actually watch most of The Daily Show and the Colbert Report, which is really a 1 hour liberal attack on red state america, I guess. But dammit, they make good points and expose hypocrisy and wrongdoings.
I kinda digressed, I know.
And even those politically questionable Chuck Norris movies, I’m known for loving them, but I do realize that they are nastly exploitation movies that only people with a brain and the ability to be critical should watch. (The Delta Force, Invasion U.S.A.) Today you can look back at them and enjoy the craziness and over the top action of course. And i do.
You convinced me ;D Michael Jackson could have too, at least the only fact he almost invented music video by himself.
Nah, more seriously I love The Goonies btw, really really much, but about politics, yeah I understand why many americans love the Reagan era. As I said it before, in terms of analysis, it’s really interesting to get into that period, cause movie changed a lot because of that new politiscs, that new patriostims, no more dark mood from the seventies and back to the families and the happy life (success of Spielberg then), back to huge demonstration of military power and to the real men (Star Wars and the new blockbusters and action movies, Schwarzie, Stallone). I think it represents America a lot. It’s very coherent in a way, that’s why I’ll never reject americans loving that period.
The rest of the world is not necessarely more glorious to me : Iran vs Irak war, Margaret Thatcher, RDA vs RFA in Germany, IRA, Yugoslavia civil war, Chernobyl disaster, and so on.
In terms of French politics, that was a very good period for us, a socialist president, François Mitterand (we’ve been living with president from the right ever since), abolition of the death penalty, cultural glory, lots of political and social changements that might be long to explain in english cause we haven’t the same system as at all. But that also brought us the most important right extremist we’ve ever known, Le Pen, which have caused troubles since even now. Btw Mitterand is the only French president who have been elected twice, he’s been the president for 14 years.
Don’t get me wrong, guys. Reagan was no saint. He and his administration did the best they could to turn the mood of this country around, and it worked. It was at a cost. But the biggest cost was actually at the hands of Bush Sr., in 88. When Bush, Sr. said, “Read my lips, no new taxes.” He didn’t do shit to decrease government spending, and decided that there didn’t need to be any extra income coming in. Clinton took that shit and added MORE spending, and ran with it. People look at Clinton with fondness, and he’s just as responsible as the 5 presidents before him for the debt, and the economic state that we’re in now.
I guess what I was trying to say is that, the Iron Curtain needed to be brought down. The Cold War needed to end. And it did. And Reagan, being that “Crazy American with his finger on the nuke button” had something to do with that. He kept the communists on high alert for 8 long years, shitting over what “we” were doing. And that made a so-called “peace”, easier to concede to.
I fully admit that I don’t know what the Cold War was like in Europe. Our schools don’t cover that. I know what it was like here during that time period though. Every night I’d go to sleep wondering if I’d wake up the next day… Paranoia about a Soviet nuclear attack rested in the hearts of every American, and it was never far from our thoughts. It felt better having a president that would stand up for us, as little good as that would have done once the first missile launched. (I lived 20 miles from an air force base that had B-1 Bomber jets equipped with nukes.)
So, what I’m saying is, even though our school textbooks didn’t teach us about the effect of our actions/inactions as a nation on the rest of the world, I lived through the fear and paranoia of possibly being attacked, and I understand America wanting a president that we feel will protect us, or at least, retaliate like a motherfucker. But maybe you can see why I’d be all, “YEA AMERICA!” about the 80’s.
[quote=“Sgt. Geoi Donowitz”]I don’t know how things were in France during the 80’s, so I guess I can’t even speculate about that. But here, families were closer. They sat down at the dinner table together every night. TV shows were cleaner. Music was cleaner. We were right on the verge of many technological breakthroughs that we all enjoy today. There was Atari, arcades, rollerskating rinks, Rambo, Chuck Norris, Cyndi Lauper, Michael Jackson, Indiana Jones, Star Wars, The Goonies, the best action movies of all time, and less governmental control of citizens. Two guys could have a fist fight and the cops weren’t called. People had more freedom. And the Reagan era, as you put it, was brilliant in America. There was a mass feeling of patriotism, and we were making money. Aside from the recession, which was brought on by Carter, we were on top of the world, and even the recession passed fairly quickly. But you and I will never agree on politics, lili. I love ya like a french step-cousin, but we’re worlds apart.[/quote]
Great way to sum it up. But you left out Saturday Morning Cartoons ( Transformers, G.I. Joe, Smurfs, Hannah Barbara, He-Man, etc. )
Everyone, Thanks for pitching in on the post and bringing to light a few well known facts.
The 80’s were fuckin awesome.
Scarface ( a movie made in the 80’s ) was awesome.
Quentin Tarantino is so awesome that there is a forum dedicated to his name with a group of people talking about how awesome the 80’s were. ( and maybe a few who say the 80’s sucked / but only admit to themselves that the 80’s really were awesome )
CONCLUSION : Scarface was awesome and so is Quentin Tarantino. which is exactly why Tarantino should remake Scarface. Thank You LOL
[quote=“cyber-lili”][quote=“purplehayes”]( and maybe a few who say the 80’s sucked / but only admit to themselves that the 80’s really were awesome ) O0[/quote]
Ahah, I’ll NEVER admit the eighties were awesome. You can be sure of that. ;D[/quote]LOL
