Ok boys let me change the subject.
You know for the past few years there’s a lot of nostalgia going on in well known HK movies: Kung Fu HUstle, 2046, SPL and so on. I don’t know if that’s a good or bad thing.
ok, so it’s about a martial arts tournament and it has a guy in it who is a yogi and he can make his arms grow really long. i’m not expecting alot of result as i have not given you people alot of information. the reason for that is that i saw it when i was 6. but come on how many movies has a guy who’s arms can grow really long. thanks in advance.
Sounds like Master of the Flying Guillotine (aka One-Armed Boxer II)
wow! that’s it.
i’ve been wanting to see Master of the Flying Guillotine for some time now (not knowing what it really was about).
I don’t think the movie is very good, not to mention the poor quality of every copy you will find. The soundtrack was pretty cool for back then though.
What do people think of the old school kung fu flicks from HK. In my circle it’s only my cousin and I that like them. In the UK version of HMV we have ALOT of 5.99 (British pounds) kung fu flicks like Shoalin and Wu Tang, method Man, Ten Tigers of Shoalin, Raiders of the Buddhist Kung Fu and alot more dvds.
In general though I think Asian film is just fresh, esp with me not knowing any other language than English. It gives that added diemension of reading subtitles, and then seeing them express that feeling through their acting. Thats why most actors from Asia trump the ones we have because they appeal to foreigners. now Eastern films do cross over to Asia but thats mainly non deep films with good scripts.
Asia for ever baby ;D
“Normal people” don’t know what ‘old school means’. At least normal Finnish people. I think Bruce Lee films are the closest thing to ‘old school’ that has ever been released here. I kid you not.
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“Normal people” don’t know what ‘old school means’. At least normal Finnish people. I think Bruce Lee films are the closest thing to ‘old school’ that has ever been released here. I kid you not.
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Thats a shame! I didnt know this board was European based
But yeah, we have a few Asian film fans over here, enough to get a special 3 week tevelevision programme on BBC. Other than that people only get put onto the obvious films and less of the underground ones. Ong Bak, Oldboy, Crouching Tiger, Hero etc all got pretty good reviews over here, but Infernal Affairs went pretty quietly. I dont know what it is about me but I dont like when certain Asian films get a mention because I definatly do feel elitist. It seems like its my personal release from the Hollywood main stream films, so I want to keep some of the Asian films nice and quiet. Which is probably wrong
Although with the impending releases of the Hollywood versions of Oldboy and Infernal Affairs I do hope people realise and respect where the original films have come from, and dont think Mr Scorsese was the originator
With all respect to asian cinema, but marty, even if he would steal it, he would probably make something else out of it.
You won’t get a rip off from infernal affairs, but just Scorsese’s version.
Besides, asian movies also take stuff from american movies, on a number of occasians also very shamelessly. But that shouldnt be the point.
Bottom line is that the films need to be entertaining. I would trust any movie in the hands of Martin Scorsese.
I think the feeling is that people that watch “underground”/ “cult”/ “B” movies are very protective on the movies they watch.
You feel cheated when your movie gets too “commercialised” . I hate the whole “asia mania” thing that is going on now.
Its cool and hip to like every goddamn asian movie…
When shit is on mtv on a regular basis, it has hit the van.
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I think the feeling is that people that watch “underground”/ “cult”/ “B” movies are very protective on the movies they watch.
You feel cheated when your movie gets too “commercialised” . I hate the whole “asia mania” thing that is going on now.
Its cool and hip to like every goddamn asian movie…
When shit is on mtv on a regular basis, it has hit the van.
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To sound quite big headed and egotistical, its just to save it from the ‘idiots’ 
. I hate to say that, but I’ll use my cousin for example. I gave him Hard Boiled, The Killer, Voilent Cop, Oldboy, Infernal Affairs and Battle Royale. The cream of recent films, I deliberatly didnt give him Seven Samurai, Yojimbo, Rashmon or any other classic Kurosawa long, subtitled and black and white films. His reply to me asking him if he has seen the DVD’s I lent him was ‘I wasnt bothered with all the reading, I dont want to read a book’. This is the responce I think that Asian film lovers are often confronted with when reccomending films to friends or family. Which is the reason for our 'protectivness’
Whilst I do understand how you feel one must certify that most people who watch non Western cinema just do it for the love of seeing fresh ideas. Whilst you say Asian cinema takes alot from the West you have to take a look at just some of the ‘block-busters’ that have been released recently; Battle Royale, OldBoy, Infernal Affairs, Ichi the Killer, Seven Swords (I’m probably forgetting some) and tell me what Western influences have been shown in those films in such a sever case as you stated. On the subject of Mr Scorsese, I have to admit…Im REALLY not a fan of the majority of his work. Casino>>Goodfellas, and thats all I really care for. But eh :-</E>. Whether he will make a direct rip off it is all to be seen. I haven’t seen any script reviews or any other news other than whats on IMDB, and they look pretty much the same. I’ll judge when I see the film though (albeit through gritted teeth!! 
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Im not an anti-Western film person, I’m just a fan of Asian films because they make stuff that appeals to me more than most USA films. Lol, my favourite film of last year was Batman Begins!
I know what you’re talking about. I have the same with a lot of movies. People that don’t have characteristics that go beyond that of a soapopera character are fucking up a LOT. They can’t appreciate anything, so it seems and make everything just standard. Everything above or below that standard gets crushed or pulled to their stupid standard.
That said, I am often surpriced at how some movies are easily picked up in a good way.
If you want to know some of the influences of western cinema on eastern cinema, check out imdb:
oldboy for example:
Movie links for
Oldboy (2003)
Follows
Boksuneun naui geot (2002)
Followed by
Chinjeolhan geumjassi (2005)
Remade as
Zinda (2005)
Oldboy (2006)
References
Un chien andalou (1929)
King Kong (1933)
Yojimbo (1961)
Obsession (1976)
Being John Malkovich (1999)
The Count of Monte Cristo (2002)
Features
Bride of Frankenstein (1935)
Half-Life: Counter-Strike (2000) (VG)
I think its great that cultures and movies are lending stuff from eachother. In the end it all comes down to if the movie was a good experience. You can lend stuff in a bad way and in a good way. Just copying it without any respect is bad. Taking it and making it your own is good.
Kurosawa’s way of filming was also pretty western. Some of his influences come from Shakespeare.
This is from wikipedia:
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Influences
A notable feature of Kurosawa’s films is the breadth of his artistic influences. Some of his plots are adaptations of William Shakespeare’s works. The Bad Sleep Well is based on Hamlet, Ran is based on King Lear and Throne of Blood is based on Macbeth. Kurosawa also directed film adaptations of Russian novels, including The Idiot by Dostoevsky and The Lower Depths by Maxim Gorky. Ikiru was based on Leo Tolstoy’s The Death of Ivan Ilyich. High and Low was based on King’s Ransom by American crime writer Ed McBain. Stray Dog was inspired by the detective novels of Georges Simenon. The American film director John Ford also had a large influence on his work.
Despite criticism by some Japanese critics that Kurosawa was “too Western”, he was deeply influenced by Japanese culture as well, including the Kabuki and Noh theaters and the jidaigeki (period drama) genre of Japanese cinema.
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His influence
Kurosawa’s films had a huge influence on world cinema. Most explicitly, Seven Samurai was remade as the western The Magnificent Seven, science fiction movie Battle Beyond the Stars, and Pixar’s A Bug’s Life. It also inspired two Hindi films, Ramesh Sippy’s Sholay and Rajkumar Santhoshi’s China Gate, with similar plots. The story has also inspired novels, among them Stephen King’s fifth Dark Tower novel, Wolves of the Calla.
Yojimbo was the basis for the Sergio Leone western A Fistful of Dollars and the Bruce Willis prohibition-era Last Man Standing.
The Hidden Fortress had an influence on George Lucas’s earliest Star Wars film, especially in the characters of R2-D2 and C3PO.
Rashomon not only helped open Japanese cinema to the world but virtually entered the English language as a term for fractured, inconsistent narratives as well as influencing other works, including episodes of television series and many motion pictures. [/quote]
The characters of rd2d and c3po are also classic characters that are recognizable in “Don Quixote” .
Influences never end. And as long as its done in a good way, I am glad. Every artist takes from the artists that have gone before him.
[quote]On the subject of Mr Scorsese, I have to admit…Im REALLY not a fan of the majority of his work. Casino>>Goodfellas, and thats all I really care for. But eh . Whether he will make a direct rip off it is all to be seen. I haven’t seen any script reviews or any other news other than whats on IMDB, and they look pretty much the same. I’ll judge when I see the film though[/quote]
As much as I’m fond of some Asian movies, Scorsese still kicks the living shit out of every Asian film-maker working today. So your scepticism towards his remake is quite unfounded. Don’t worry dude, your precious “Infernal Affairs” movie rights are in good hands.
[quote]Whilst you say Asian cinema takes alot from the West you have to take a look at just some of the ‘block-busters’ that have been released recently; Battle Royale…and tell me what Western influences have been shown in those films [/quote]
Some key scenes in Battle Royale have been hugely influenced by Reservoir Dogs. Fukasaku himself said it. The kitchen scene in particular, where all the girls shoot at each other is a tribute to our QT.
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Some key scenes in Battle Royale have been hugely influenced by Reservoir Dogs. Fukasaku himself said it. The kitchen scene in particular, where all the girls shoot at each other is a tribute to our QT.
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Yeah, and QT was influenced by John Woo… who was influenced by Jean-Pierre Melville and Sam Peckinpah…
I think both western and asian film makers are borrowing equally from each other. The big difference between east and west is that Hollywood is producing remakes, Asia isn’t (except from India). But I do believe that’s only because asian film industry can’t make remakes. Hollywood isn’t giving them the rights. And even if they got the rights, it wouldn’t work because asian audiences have already seen the original Hollywood versions. Too bad asian film companies are just as greedy as their american counterparts. Hollywood wants to make money with remakes, and asian companies are more than willing to make money by selling them the rights.
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As much as I’m fond of some Asian movies, Scorsese still kicks the living shit out of every Asian film-maker working today. So your scepticism towards his remake is quite unfounded. Don’t worry dude, your precious “Infernal Affairs” movie rights are in good hands.[/quote]
The only scepticism towards Infernal Affairs being released is the fact its a remake, which is why I was also quite peeved at the Ring, Dark Water and all the other J-horror or action films released. Whether Scorsese makes better films than Asian film makers is neither here nor there since I didn’t specifically call him out nor any other Western director. I basically commented on the current status of Western Films and their freshness and originality.
[quote]Some key scenes in Battle Royale have been hugely influenced by Reservoir Dogs. Fukasaku himself said it. The kitchen scene in particular, where all the girls shoot at each other is a tribute to our QT[/quote]
As Hung Fist said before its going to be a never ending who inlfuenced who aurgement, my main point was that a comment was made on Asian film directors ‘shamlessly’ taking things from US film wasn’t evident in the recent bigger films from Asian.
I hope I’m not confusing anyone with my feelings towards US films, its just I feel Asia doesn’t get enough props. PEACE!
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The only scepticism towards Infernal Affairs being released is the fact its a remake, which is why I was also quite peeved at the Ring, Dark Water and all the other J-horror or action films released. Whether Scorsese makes better films than Asian film makers is neither here nor there since I didn’t specifically call him out nor any other Western director. I basically commented on the current status of Western Films and their freshness and originality.
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I don’t want my Scorsese comment to be misenterpreted in any way. I didn’t mean to lash out as Asian cinema, which I like too. I should have written: “Scorsese kicks the living shit out of many directors working today” to be more clear. He’s one of the top dogs in the business, be it if you compare him to films in America, Europe or Asia.
I hate most remakes myself. The only reason most of them are actually filmed is to make money and cash in on suckers who think they’re gonna see something original. But in the case of Marty, rest assured this is not the case. Marty makes movies because he still has passion to make movies, not because he wants to make money. Always been like that and always will be. I’d be grateful that for once in a million years, a remake of an Asian movie is actually gonna be carried out by a master. And come on dude, who wouldn’t want to see Jack Nicholson in a Scorsese movie? Let’s be honest here.
[quote]Yeah, and QT was influenced by John Woo… who was influenced by Jean-Pierre Melville and Sam Peckinpah…[/quote]
Exactly. If we try to trace every film influence in history, we’d probably end up mentioning the Lumiere brothers. ;D The fact is that in an increasingly globalised world, film-makers will most likely be influenced more and more not only by domestic movies, but also by foreign ones.
The Lumiere brothers where clearly influenced by Thomas Edison! ;D
I wish John Woo was more influenced by John Woo. I saw Windtalkers the other day. What a piece of shit. He needs to move back to Hong Kong.
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I don’t want my Scorsese comment to be misenterpreted in any way. I didn’t mean to lash out as Asian cinema, which I like too. I should have written: “Scorsese kicks the living shit out of many directors working today” to be more clear. He’s one of the top dogs in the business, be it if you compare him to films in America, Europe or Asia. [/quote]
Thats cool. Whilst I do disagree, I think Im normally in the minority with my views on Scorsese 
[quote=“Scarface”]I hate most remakes myself. The only reason most of them are actually filmed is to make money and cash in on suckers who think they’re gonna see something original. But in the case of Marty, rest assured this is not the case. Marty makes movies because he still has passion to make movies, not because he wants to make money. Always been like that and always will be. I’d be grateful that for once in a million years, a remake of an Asian movie is actually gonna be carried out by a master. And come on dude, who wouldn’t want to see Jack Nicholson in a Scorsese movie? Let’s be honest here.[/quote]
Lol, you’re selling the film to me now. All I can say is that I’ll wait and see, I haven’t passed full judgement on “The Departed” yet but I’ll definatly watch and give a fair and unbiased judgement. Its coming out this year right?
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I wish John Woo was more influenced by John Woo. I saw Windtalkers the other day. What a piece of shit. He needs to move back to Hong Kong.
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Definatly. Ever since he left HK for USA he has released some decent films. I definatly did like Broken Arrow, but since he has left HK his catalouge isnt really anything like he used to do:
Paycheck (2003)-
Windtalkers (2002)-
Mission: Impossible II (2000)-
Face/Off (1997)-
Broken Arrow (1996)-
Hard Target (1993)-
Paycheck is pretty standard, not TERRIBLE.
I’m in the mood for watching it again, probably i’ll rate this higher than before [ gave it a 4/10 ].
JUst from the story and the 1st half, It had some ideas. But the cast is brrrrrrrrrrrrr.
Can’t stand Affleck and Thurman.
Whats Woo’s next actual ?
[quote]Untitled John Woo Project (2006) (announced)
The War of the Red Cliff (2007) (announced)
He-Man and the Masters of the Universe (2006) (announced)
Metroid (2006) (announced)
The Red Circle (2006) (announced)
Spy Hunter: Nowhere to Run (2007) (pre-production) [/quote]
is little irritating
War of the Red Cliff is the next one. Shooting will start later this month.
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